Descending

We arent tied into the tree, 90% of the time. We are tied into the crane via shackle or ring. So friction is minimal at best.

I am hesitant for 2 reasons, one Tom D has already pointed out which is my biggest concern. The other is the time it would take to run the rope back through the ring and pull it to the mid point, then repack it into a bag, or coil two legs of rope. SRT just wont work with our style, if we did more in tree tie-ins it would be a snap.
 
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Boston, could you give more detail on how you're using your crane? When I do crane work I never leave tree. Why 30 - 50 up and downs? 30 - 50 trees? I'm thoroughly intrigued.

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its because they thieve the way they do things man.

i asked this question awhile ago bullie. no easy answer except more beeline.

pay attention tree machine. this is old news.

bull i will come up there and smash that portawrap off your dome piece if i hear of one of you guys using it for that stupid/hack suggestion. you watch that video and you will see why those meatheads were doing that way.


you want some answers to this riddle call me.
 

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Use an RQ-8, easy to lock off, double or single line, not big, not heavy... kinda pricey though.

I use a figure 8 for long descents but I generally don't stop on the way down. If I know I'll need to stop, I stay on the hitch.

I have Jared using a figure eight with a footlock prusik backup so he can stop anytime he wants.
 
I wish I hadn't seen that titanium Scarab descender, I need to figure out how to make more money more or less legally!

Folks posting the latest nifty devices, bear in mind the pain you may be causing!

Not to state the obvious but the reason the hitch cord is burning out so fast is the very low friction TIP on the crane. Wondering if you fabricated a modified TIP attachment on the hook consisting of a short length (6-8") of say 6" diameter mild steel pipe flared on the ends (to keep the rope towards the middle) with a keeper welded on each end (kind of a messed up portawrap) and hang the DdRT rope on that. The end "keepers" meet above the pipe to make a closed hanger to attach it to the crane and keep the pipe horizontal. could allow the hitch cord to last much longer without changing the climber's system.
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I would use a rappelling ring set below the hitch somehow. I don't know what saddle you're rockin but on a TreeMotion I would attach it to the D-ring type thing that the bridge connects to. While not in use it could just hang there ready to be deployed.
 
Try one of these above your hitch Bull. A simple flip of the leaver and it pops off your rope under load, allowing for simple hitch advancement.

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that would be sweet holly. I was looking at that and trying to figure out how it could be useful in arbor care. the video looks fun. Its meant to rappel and then pop the lever to fall off into the water below.
 
I don't have one of these, but I bet it would work. I'd even venture to think it would roll with the SRT system you use. Pop it off and lock or foot ascender up, lanyard in reset for descent. Small cord to retain it to your saddle for easy access.
 
Removing a device midline, while weighted, with ANY device is a very straightforward move, but that's not what Boston is seeking.
(I'll explain how if anyone's really mystified, but you would do this if you were on your way down and, oops, left the pole pruners hanging up there!)

To have a device that can pop off with the flick of a lever I just don't see as a good thing in arboriculture. We cruise through brush, might have a snag in the wrist portion of our climbing gloves, whatever. Instant release is just a hair faster than release of something else, once on the ground. Seriously, how long does it take to release a 6-bar rack? Even the scarab, lengthen the bight, flip the crossbar out, you are released. Fig 8; release biner, pull the 8, you're out. Where things get slow is whern you throw a friction hitch into the mix and then have a couple independent things to release, but even that is fairly quick, just not instant.

Next, with the De-Jump you route your rope through almost identical to a fig 8. You're almost certain to be twisting the rope. If that means nothing to you, rappel 50 feet with a wad of rope still on the ground. You may not make it to the ground because of the coiled twistedness that concentrates just before you reach the ground. This is asking for a hockle.

Lastly, I would dissuade anyone form using a device that is aluminum, if it takes all the friction. Aluminum wears and deposits oxide on the rope. A device is rated when new, but the device weakens when critical rub surfaces wear, then the rating is no longer 'as rated'. You keep using it, it's your life.

Yea, yea, aluminum is light, but even the stainless Scarab is only 100 grams. I wouldn't consider that even an issue climbing a tree, let alone a crane lifting you and dropping you into place.
 
Gotta agree with TM and Tom: the Scarab is a nice option. Take care, those four "hooks", on the corners, do get caught on things: shirts, branches, rope, etc. NOT really a problem just a heads-up.
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Tried one, didnt like the diameter of my Tachyon.....? Do they come in different sizes?
 
What about instead of putting your climbing through the ring like normal you add a wrap and use the ring kind of like a bollard? It would reduce friction on your hitch. Has anyone tried something like that?
 
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How was the ATC not working well with the Tachyon?

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Boston, Tachyon does just fine in an ATC. There are at least 3 versions of the ATC by Black Diamond, but the rope capacity size is the same. I have all three. Petzl has the Reverso 3 and the Verso, I have pictures of those somewhere, too.

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What about instead of putting your climbing through the ring like normal you add a wrap and use the ring kind of like a bollard?

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What? Use the ring like a bollard? As written, that's not possible. Do you mean use the ring in a standard manner and then do a wrap around the caribiner, using the caribiner like a bollard?

Here's a picture of a ring being used as a descent device. I found it while looking through trying to find pictures of the different ATC photos.
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You run your steel triple lock caribiner through the bight and you're ready to go. This is 13 mm rope, which tells me this image is about 5 years old. I don't climb on 13 mm anymore. And though I used the ring for descent for a few climbs, I do not recommend it, except maybe in a pinch. Even then, if you want to carry something on your saddle for 'in a pinch', there is a better option than a ring, gimme a second, I have to find that picture.....

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