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thanks for a great evening everyone; I got to run.

You hold your ground Debbie. If I ever get put on trial for doing the wrong thing to a tree I hope the judge is just like you girl. you are the best!

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Hacks are the best?
 
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thanks for a great evening everyone; I got to run.

You hold your ground Debbie. If I ever get put on trial for doing the wrong thing to a tree I hope the judge is just like you girl. you are the best!

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Hacks are the best?

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Who told you I was a hack? did you make that up on your own or did somebody else tell you? I serve the tree needs of our clients. Whether it is green pastures and still waters or hell fire. I do what they think best.



I asked a simple question about a tree.
 
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thanks for a great evening everyone; I got to run.

You hold your ground Debbie. If I ever get put on trial for doing the wrong thing to a tree I hope the judge is just like you girl. you are the best!

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Hacks are the best?

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Who told you I was a hack? did you make that up on your own or did somebody else tell you? I serve the tree needs of our clients. Whether it is green pastures and still waters or hell fire. I do what they think best.



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YOU said it. Your toppiong 3/4 of a trees canaopy, thats what hacks do. If I murdered someone I would be called a murderer, no? If I flew a plane I would be a pilot, right?

You think cause you run a saw, and cut wood we should call you an Arborist? we have standards we adhere to.

Good luck Debbie!
 
Debbie, you asked a question. You didnt like some of the responses so you jumped on the defensive. Which means everyone "got your goat". Which in turn means that you are going to get hammered even harder. Also you really didnt take opinions that differed from yours very well.

One thing I know about this site is that when you are newer on here asking elementary question it is not the best thing to buck it to hard, or any trade for that matter. You couldve handled everything that has been said in a better manner.

And yes even though I said I will "lightly top" a Bradford, doesnt mean that it is "accepted" by all.

This is not the site to get on and proclaim that you will do whatever the customer wants either. This site is full of arborist and those who aspire to be, so doing whatever the customer wants irregardless of what is best for the tree is not a always a good option. Sometimes you have to walk away from jobs because what the customer wants isnt necessarily safe nor healthy. Good luck

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I thought this thread was the older Bradford Pear thread...

There are rules to abide by.

There are standards to abide by.

Then there are opinions...


Here is a cynical question I'll propose:

Why can't we inform the customer of the poor structure of Bradfords, and then suggest remove and replace?

If they want to replace with a Bradford, then that would be okay. After all, they could have a professional trim the tree every 2-3 years and prevent inclusions, lateral branches getting larger than 50% the size of the trunk, subordinate vigorus leaders, isolate the center leader, etc...

It would then prove that topping doesn't have to be the solution to Bradfords...
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I thought this thread was the older Bradford Pear thread...

There are rules to abide by.

There are standards to abide by.

Then there are opinions...


Here is a cynical question I'll propose:

Why can't we inform the customer of the poor structure of Bradfords, and then suggest remove and replace?

If they want to replace with a Bradford, then that would be okay. After all, they could have a professional trim the tree every 2-3 years and prevent inclusions, lateral branches getting larger than 50% the size of the trunk, subordinate vigorus leaders, isolate the center leader, etc...

It would then prove that topping doesn't have to be the solution to Bradfords...
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Thats just crazy talk! Why would anyone want to do that? Not what the customer asked for
 
I've seen some justification for topping Bradfords but it needs to be done by someone skilled at structural pruning and it only applies when the tree has outgrown it's ability to support itself.

Topping because the tree is 'too tall' is just plain bad practice, there's tons of evidence to support that. But I agree, there's a good chance it will live if it's in a good spot... and it will make arborists twitch violently whenever they drive past it.
 
I'm so glad I slept through the last 3 pages.


But disappointed that I didn't miss anything.


I'll bet you could mow down a Bradford Pear with a SKS Assault rifle at 5 feet, and it would come back with a vengeance.


I think Debbie is on to something with the whole "private property" side of the argument. If a client is informed about all of the options, and decides on something we as professionals don't like, it's no big deal. We can just walk away. If you want to go ahead and perform the questionable service, you might want to watch over your shoulder as you make the cuts.

I have a little Bradford Pear near the beginning of my driveway. It is about 15 feet tall. I have been contemplating shaping it into a pyramid form, just to see how it would look. It would be topping cuts, and some of them would be on 2-3 inch limbs, but because it is a Bradford, I'm not concerned about the effects on the health of the tree. I'm going to try it this winter.

Boston, you need to get a grip. You're letting this get to you too much.


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Boston, you need to get a grip. You're letting this get to you too much.


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Youre right, but I am having fun. Once this stops being fun ill quit and get a new job. Educating the general public on tree maintenance is one of my passions. Educating myself is my primary passion
 
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I asked, will the tree survive? and secondly is there a better time of year for this than another?

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It might survive, Bradfords are nearly indestructible.


I think I recall that Xman tops all of his Bradford Pears around Jan./Feb. (when most dormant)



SZ

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As far as this Debbie person that started this thread, good for Boston Bull and others that posted good information.

I think this Debbie person is a troll and maybe a side personallity of someone else on this forum that wants to stir things up.

It's a complete set-up to stir up crap that proffesional arborists get upset over.

I have refrained from comments on the bradford pear topping fight since the N... thing.

But this is clear that some want to stir things up.

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As for the original question, will it die? No probably not if you HACK IT UP in March or April.

It will create a high maintanance nightmare in the future and I hope your state has some type of Tree Expert Law or Certified Arborist law where you are liable and the homeowner can sue you for creating an unsafe and high maintance tree (as well as shortening the tree's lifespan).

It's like this:

If I went to a medical doctor and said, "Doctor, I dont' like how long my fingernails are, please cut my FINGERS off about half way......". If the doctor said "Okay", and did the work, he should be liable for malpractice work and get the crap sued out of him. The doctor should have said, "NO, you do not want to have me cut your fingers off half way!, there is a proper place to cut your fingernails that will not cause health problems". And refused to cut the fingers off half way.
 
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I thought this thread was the older Bradford Pear thread...

There are rules to abide by.

There are standards to abide by.

Then there are opinions...


Here is a cynical question I'll propose:

Why can't we inform the customer of the poor structure of Bradfords, and then suggest remove and replace?

If they want to replace with a Bradford, then that would be okay. After all, they could have a professional trim the tree every 2-3 years and prevent inclusions, lateral branches getting larger than 50% the size of the trunk, subordinate vigorus leaders, isolate the center leader, etc...

It would then prove that topping doesn't have to be the solution to Bradfords...
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Thats just crazy talk! Why would anyone want to do that? Not what the customer asked for

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I don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing. That is why I asked a cynical quesion and proposed a hypothetical situation....
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I thought this thread was the older Bradford Pear thread...

There are rules to abide by.

There are standards to abide by.

Then there are opinions...


Here is a cynical question I'll propose:

Why can't we inform the customer of the poor structure of Bradfords, and then suggest remove and replace?

If they want to replace with a Bradford, then that would be okay. After all, they could have a professional trim the tree every 2-3 years and prevent inclusions, lateral branches getting larger than 50% the size of the trunk, subordinate vigorus leaders, isolate the center leader, etc...

It would then prove that topping doesn't have to be the solution to Bradfords...
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Thats just crazy talk! Why would anyone want to do that? Not what the customer asked for

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I don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing. That is why I asked a cynical quesion and proposed a hypothetical situation....
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I was being sarcastic. I think if the tree cant be structurally pruned, and reduced properly, remova and replcae is one of the options available.
 
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I asked, will the tree survive? and secondly is there a better time of year for this than another?

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It might survive, Bradfords are nearly indestructible.


I think I recall that Xman tops all of his Bradford Pears around Jan./Feb. (when most dormant)



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Easyphloem you peice of ****!

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU KNOW THAT THIS STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY FALSE AND COMPLETELY AGAINST WHAT I AND ARBOR-X IS ALL ABOUT.

WE DO NOT TOP BRADFORD PEARS OR ANY OTHER TREE NO MATTER WHAT THE MISGUIDED HOMEOWNER MAY REQUEST.

Now that you typed this; there is a link on a public forum that has text that says X-man tops all Bradford Pears around January and February.

I just got a phone call today from another state that told me about your statement you made. I have not been on treebuzz to read this and defend myself. I luckily recieved a phone call from another state to warn me of what has been stated by YOU.

You correct this NOW and correct this well or the next time you will hear anything from this will be from our lawyers suing you for public slander. If you wanted to irritate me as much as you possibly could, you have just succeeded.

I hope you clear this up, or I will not back down, I don't care if it costs me $10,000, I will make you pay!

Here is some info on public slander:
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What Are Defamation, Libel and Slander?
Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
Damage to the plaintiff.
In the context of defamation law, a statement is "published" when it is made to the third party. That term does not mean that the statement has to be in print.

Damages are typically to the reputation of the plaintiff, but depending upon the laws of the jurisdiction it may be enough to establish mental anguish.
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Stating such a false thing on a public forum is blatant public slander and you meant to do it.

You may very well hurt me and my company financially by the people that read the first page in this thread and do not read on to this page, page 4.

This statement you made is SO WRONG and against everything I and Arbor-X stand for.

It's almost like as if you would have called Mother Teresa a child molester publicly and tried to ruin her reputation; while she was living. No, I am not the Mother Teresa of trees, but I feel that strong about not topping.

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As far as this Debbie person that started this thread, good for Boston Bull and others that posted good information.

I think this Debbie person is a troll and maybe a side personallity of someone else on this forum that wants to stir things up.

It's a complete set-up to stir up crap that proffesional arborist get upset over.

I have refrained from comments on the bradford pear topping fight since the Noel thing.

But this is clear that some want to stir things up and easypholem is dragging me into it again.

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As for the original question, will it die? No probably not if you HACK IT UP in March or April.

It will create a high maintanance nightmare in the future and I hope your state has some type of Tree Expert Law or Certified Arborist law that the homeowner can sue you for being liable for creating an unsafe and high maintance tree (as well ash shortening the tree's lifespan).

It's like this:

If I went to a medical doctor and said, "Doctor, I dont' like how long my fingernails are, please cut my finger off about half way......". If the doctor said "Okay", and did the work, he should be liable for malpractice work and get the crap sued out of him. The doctor should have said, "NO, you do not want to do that!, there is a proper place to cut your fingernails that will not cause health problems. And refused to cut the finger off half way.

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I'm asking Mark and Tom to delete easypholems complete slander comments about me on page one.

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Agree with this ENTIRE post 100%!
 
I ask also that Mark or Tom review the log on code of this person (Debbie) and cross reference it with another long time user of this site.

I have a website and I know it's easy to monitor who clicks on the website by the IP address.

This Debbie person should be banned from the forum as they are a complete fraud and false personality of another user.
 
I have deleted my post, and hope I don't get sued for $10,000



I clearly don't have that kind of money, and certainly did not intend to slander X's livelihood.


X, I thought you would see that I was joking....clearly you did not see it that way. My apologies.

It clearly says on your website that you or your company will never top a tree, no matter what a misguided customer might request. It is an admirable trait.




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I ask also that Mark or Tom review the log on code of this person (Debbie) and cross reference it with another long time user of this site.

I have a website and I know it's easy to monitor who clicks on the website by the IP address.

This Debbie person should be banned from the forum as they are a complete fraud and false personality of another user.

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Kinda like 'Jakeleg?'

I was going to respond with an attempt to be cynical and witty, yet somewhat educational, but I am putting my faith in X that this is a ruse. EZ already has the rights to 'Cynical and witty, yet somewhat educational' anyway.

-Tom

(PS - Having an online alter-ego is weak.)
 
X I agree that Ez may have gone to far, but you well know that he was joking with you.

Also dont ever compare you to mother teresa again, someone being accused of topping trees is not even on the same scale as if someone would have accused mother teresa of child molestation. You are a little over the top with EZ, and way over the top with the mother teresa comment. Although I do see what you are saying.

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I am glad this has been fixed. I worked there in those months and really don't want that kind of rep either. It has taken many years for me to be coreected in the proper tree care methods and David was one of the few who stick to their guns about what is right and wrong. These sorta jokes are not as funny as one might think. Right now I work for a company that has topped many trees including bradfords. When i go back to these jobs it is just an unpleasant experience from the start. The customer wants to know why improper work was done previously and the boss wants to shot me for making him look inferior. Because of the backbone that people like David have I am able to stand strong about my convictions and defend my stance. I think this was a poor judgement joke EZ.
 
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