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As far as to whether it's a "big no no" or not, It's my tree I will do what I da** right well please.

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thanks for all the advice...I will tell the owner what you all have said.
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Dont these two statements send up flags that this woman is a troll, or a complete nut.....?

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I am neither of these, It is a customers tree; I told him I would ask what you all thought. ...now I know. I was speaking on his behalf when I said, he/I could/will do as he/I pleased. I encourage people to do what is best for them especially when it comes to their trees in their yards. If one of you had been in his yard with me and told him it was a no no to top it I would have spoke up and said to him, You do what you want; it's your tree. What freedoms do people have left in their lives, that they may control, if not how their trees are shaped?

...Is there a standard state/federal authorized shape for his hedges as well? I've seen many flat topped hedges as I've been bouncing around town in the truck. Is it OK to top hedges? They make a rule and all of you scream to have it so. Sounds like Germany in the 30's to me.
 
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Is the tree yours or your customers, missie? You seem to embelish that both are true.

Do you want sound advice on whats est for the plant or an agreement that what your doing wont kill it?

If I cut both your hands, and both your feet off will YOU survive? probably. is it a good choice?

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My name is not Missie, it is Debbie. It is a tree not a person; Your parable is not equal. It is not what is best for the plant, it is what's best for the owner. It's just a tree!
 
Well Debbie, now that you asked about rules, YES there are rules in the US for Pruning TREES. it is the ANSI A300 pruning standard. It is MY understanding that these standards have been developed in order to protect the tree and the people who have to be near it.

If you client has mis-managed the tree by letting it go, they can hardly expect to reduce this large tree to a little tree in one GO! They aren't the first to do this to a tree, nor will they be the last. WHY is it such an issue at this time. It didn't explode into a large tree over night.

IF it has outgrown it space, removal should be at the top of the consideration list. Check out http://www.treesaregood.com/treecare/topping.aspx
then ask yourself, do I want to do this to my clients tree!
 
don't worry bout what these guys say, been shown by a Board certed arbor that it's ok to do such work. Please don't listen to easyphlom he's just a want to be southern mentally handyman for pitts PA. Trust me darlin these so called certed men are just money seekers or over papered bloodhounds.
 
Debbie,

2 questions

1). If the customer doesn't want such a large pear, why did they allow it to get so big in the first place?

We have been maintaining Bradford pear at a height of 15' or so for the last 15 years (every 3 yrs we reduce them about 5-6'...mostly to keep them out of the wires etc). So it is very possibly to keep a Bradford pear smaller and mostly natural shaped, without doing a sudden drastic reduction on them.

2). If the customer wants a smaller tree, y not just sell him on a removal and plant a new one there?


Bradford pears are fill with structural problems, and hard reduction on them just makes it worse. To reduce a tree that much, it should hardly cost anymore to just simply remove it....the brush is usually the longest part. Then another variety of pear can be planted. One that has better structure, and it can then also be maintained at the desired size.

Your right...it is the customers tree and they can do with it what they want. Will the tree die? Most likely not, unless you have a drought and/or other stress factors added to it. Will it ever be a natural looking tree again? No, and it will have to be repeatedly topped. Does it create more problems with the tree? Yes.

Is there better options to reach the same goal...I think so as stated above. Though the customer is always right, it is up to us to inform them of other options and give our professional opinion. And inform them of the destruction or problems they may cause. This way they can make a informed decision.

For me and my company...if they decided to reduce a tree that hard after I talked to them about the dangers and unhealthy nature of topping...we walk away. I'll tell them though right up front there are companies that will do it for you, but I can not.
 
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It's just a tree!

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Nuff said. Your an Ignorant woman with a shite attitude!

have fun with the pear and post pics of your destruction.

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Yo! Boston Bull, You told us what her attitude is; enlighten us to yours.

I say it's about time somebody spoke up for the people who own these trees.

Debbie you do as the owner requests otherwise one day the plumber and painter and lawnservice and house cleaner and babysitter will all be telling the owners what we want and what looks good and what they are going to do. I LOVE AMERICA!...what's left of it.
 
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Debbie,

2 questions

1). If the customer doesn't want such a large pear, why did they allow it to get so big in the first place?


2). If the customer wants a smaller tree, y not just sell him on a removal and plant a new one there?


Is there better options to reach the same goal...I think so as stated above. Though the customer is always right, it is up to us to inform them of other options and give our professional opinion. And inform them of the destruction or problems they may cause. This way they can make a informed decision.



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#1 the customer just mover in

#2 he wants to save money, so not unlike anyone else he askes what will it cost if I do this or that...and he does not want to lose the tree if possible.

"Though the customer is always right, it is up to us to inform them of other options and give our professional opinion."

#3 who told you I didn't discuss/inform him of other options? Did you make that up on your own or did someone else tell you this? I didn't.

I asked a simple question; Will it die? and it looks as though all hell has broken loose. Can he not have what he wants? IT'S HIS TREE!
 
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It's just a tree!

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Nuff said. Your an Ignorant woman with a shite attitude!

have fun with the pear and post pics of your destruction.

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Yo! Boston Bull, You told us what her attitude is; enlighten us to yours.

I say it's about time somebody spoke up for the people who own these trees.

Debbie you do as the owner requests otherwise one day the plumber and painter and lawnservice and house cleaner and babysitter will all be telling the owners what we want and what looks good and what they are going to do. I LOVE AMERICA!...what's left of it.

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What do you want to know?


Sorry, I disagree. If he is paying a professional to do this, it should be done to the standards set forth thus far by other arborists, Ansi, TCIA, ISA, and state organizations to name a few.

he wants to top it let the homeowner do it. People see pros doing this and it makes them think its the RIGHT thing to do to trees.

Its like hiring a plumber to install a new line. You tell him I want it run up the side of the house, throught the roof, and let it just open up through the ceiling into my bathroom. Thats how I like to shower. There are regulations in place to prevent these things right?

WHO stands up for the trees Giant?
 
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Well Debbie, now that you asked about rules, YES there are rules in the US for Pruning TREES. it is the ANSI A300 pruning standard. It is MY understanding that these standards have been developed in order to protect the tree and the people who have to be near it.

do I want to do this to my clients tree!

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Do you take this book up in the tree with you? I'll bet it is so thick that it has to be brought to the job in a pick-up

My client knows what he wants.
 
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who told you I didn't discuss/inform him of other options? Did you make that up on your own or did someone else tell you this? I didn't.

I asked a simple question; Will it die? and it looks as though all hell has broken loose. Can he not have what he wants? IT'S HIS TREE!

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I understand if he just moved in...and wants the tree a lot smaller. But as far as whit is best for the tree (since he doesn't want to loose it), to reduce it that hard isn't really the best option. And though the initial cost of removal and replacement may be more costly...in the long run he would save money and have a nicer tree.

I never said you did it didn't discuss all the options to your customer. I was just stating that one should. I am sorry if you took it personally, I was trying hard not to attack you in any way.

Topping is just a sore subject for tree guys...between those who do and those who don't. There has been many fights on here and elsewhere on the subject. Old school versus new school etc.
 
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WHO stands up for the trees Giant?

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All the ones I see out there do quite well standing up for themselves. Like Debbie, it's the people I'm worried about.
 
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WHO stands up for the trees Giant?

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All the ones I see out there do quite well standing up for themselves. Like Debbie, it's the people I'm worried about.

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Debbie is the type of person that I am concerned about.

Why should we as Arborists NOT take whats best for the tree into account?
 
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Well Debbie, now that you asked about rules, YES there are rules in the US for Pruning TREES. it is the ANSI A300 pruning standard. It is MY understanding that these standards have been developed in order to protect the tree and the people who have to be near it.

do I want to do this to my clients tree!

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Do you take this book up in the tree with you? I'll bet it is so thick that it has to be brought to the job in a pick-up

My client knows what he wants.

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HAHAHAHA Go Debbie. If you ever are looking for a job you can join up with us! That is so crazy funny. Our clients would love you.
 
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Well Debbie, now that you asked about rules, YES there are rules in the US for Pruning TREES. it is the ANSI A300 pruning standard. It is MY understanding that these standards have been developed in order to protect the tree and the people who have to be near it.

do I want to do this to my clients tree!

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Do you take this book up in the tree with you? I'll bet it is so thick that it has to be brought to the job in a pick-up

My client knows what he wants.

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Mosty educated certifed Arborists know the short pruning section, because we practice it everyday. the pruning section of the A300 can be purchased seperately for $20, and is roughly 20-30 pages long. Lots of pictures too!
 
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Why should we as Arborists NOT take whats best for the tree into account?

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I care about what is good for the tree but what is good for the owner comes first. It's just a tree; it's his property; he puts it in, he takes it out, and he is paying us for what he wants done. It's not a person; it's a tree.
 
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Well Debbie, now that you asked about rules, YES there are rules in the US for Pruning TREES. it is the ANSI A300 pruning standard. It is MY understanding that these standards have been developed in order to protect the tree and the people who have to be near it.

do I want to do this to my clients tree!

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Do you take this book up in the tree with you? I'll bet it is so thick that it has to be brought to the job in a pick-up

My client knows what he wants.

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HAHAHAHA Go Debbie. If you ever are looking for a job you can join up with us! That is so crazy funny. Our clients would love you.

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Why is being educated so funny to you Giant?
 
thanks for a great evening everyone; I got to run.

You hold your ground Debbie. If I ever get put on trial for doing the wrong thing to a tree I hope the judge is just like you girl. you are the best!
 
Debbie I see both sides. No, more than likely the tree will not die. I have seen Bradfords that were a 5' tall stump 3 or 4 years ago that are now trees again(I say trees very carefully here). But is it against most policy, sure it is. I do not top trees period. Except for Bradfords. Although I have never topped a Bradford anywhere near as severe as what you are saying or asking about.

I will probably get jumped on for sayin I will top a bradford, but let it be known that it is the only tree I will.

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