Anyone conceal carry while working?

Anyone that actually is legally licensed to carry a gun outside of their home, cc permit, knows that it is not legal to shoot someone for property. If you pull your weapon you better be legal or you will spend your life in jail, you better be ready to use it or possibly the opponent will rush you and take it from you and kill you with your own gun. Even if you shoot someone in legal circumstances, you could spend all your money litigating at their volition. It could destroy your life...and you could have been completely in the right.

I conceal carry a Keltec pf9 9mm. Such a nice piece as far as size and concealability. It was the gun Zimmerman pulled out of his shirt and killed the guy on top of him, Trayvon Martin. I only take it when going thru very bad neighborhoods or having to walk around bidding in them. We rarely work in them but if someone asks me for a bid...they get one...anywhere.

My house was broken into in an upper middle class suburb yesterday between 2 and 6 am and about $12,000 worth of chainsaws and couple of other pieces of equipment were stolen. They broke the window on my truck and found the remote and opened the under the house garage door. They were in my house with an open access door that led upstairs to ...us...completely unfettered.

If I had heard them and come downstairs and found them I would have had a 9mm Glock locked and loaded with me from my bedroom. Upon approaching them I would demand they lay flat on the floor and I would then call the cops. If they came at me I would shoot them. If they ran away, I would have let them get away.

But you HAVE to believe, they cased me, knew what I had and wanted it. My wife and I also believe they sat in a car and watched us until lights went out and we went to bed.

If they could not enter the basement, would they then enter the upper floors planning to hold us hostage with guns while they got what they wanted? I have a weapon on each floor. I can still fight pretty good until I reached that weapon or I would be fine with being killed prior to letting them have access to my family regardless of what I suspected they were up to. Those kind of things often turn ugly fast. You have to expect the worse and act accordingly.

Criminals are freed from overcrowded jails perpetually. If I was a crook that would send a signal to me...crime pays.

Couple of picts. from yesterday. Truck broken likely very quietly and garage door lifted with remote. Second picture is 8 shelves that were full of real nice pro chainsaws. Also a new Honda eu2000i generator.

For what is worth to any of you who may do as we do...my wife has to sleep with a fan running her whole adult life. I have fallen into turning it on if she doesn't. It is more for the noise than the breeze. I told her the fan days are over and when I went up to bed yesterday she was asleep with the fan off. I had trouble sleeping without it. I think this was of some significance.

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That sucks Vet. Sorry to hear it.

I've concealed carried for over 25 years now and you are right on the money about the responsibility it carries.
 
Treevet, is that a KM 130R laying in the corner? Your thieves are just leaving money on the table not to take that too. They must not know how expensive those KombiSystems are, or their versatility?

Sorry to hear about the loss, though. I really hate thieves, especially when they take our tools.
 
I think this whole thread is a little hammy. A guy named The Penguin (that's mister, to you) shows up talking like a villain and threatening to take people out for touching his tools? I submit his real name is Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot and he carries an umbrella gun.
 
I open carry a rifle when I work.
Course I'm a hack helping a guy mow his orchards ant trim trees and hate groundhogs.
I'm a hack that likes to do relief work. I'm just here to learn.
One post to 100 pages of reading.
Guns ......I was shooting machine guns at 12.
My dad held NRA record. Just been around them.
At home they were in the corner and you didn't touch them unless you asked.
Up and down range .......since I was 5. Way before I shot.

A pistol is something to use becaus you don't have a shotgun. Lol

Respect the hell out of your tree work.
 
My barn and trucks are all unlocked and the keys are in the ignition. Corse I'm in a quiet rural area. I don't carry guns but my mother has a shot gun. She's 80, still mows Wll her own grass all summer and knows very well when someone not welcome comes up the drive. Most people around here are very scared of my mother. The shot gun is mainly to keep geese off the lake in the summer cuz they shit the beach full. My brother and I have found other ways to keep them off after trying to shoot them with no luck. I had a fellow tree service help me load out some huge logs and one of their workers "conceal carried". When a mouse ran out one of the logs he got all excited and asked me if he should shoot it, he has a conceal carry permit.

My point: conceal carry permits are mostly for pussies. Those folk also have those brass balls hanging from their truck hitch, drive a jacked up truck with dick cypeck tires that they have to remove in the winter to plow because they don't work on the snow. Their bumper sticker says "my truck burns the gas your hybrid saves" and they wonder why they are always so mad and why people don't like them.

I am not surprised someone bringing up the gun issue mows lawns for a living and is mad someone might steal their stuff. I think one of the cancers of this earth are the people that pay others to mow their grass. Somehow, that cancer spreads to those who actually do the mowing. If you can't respect yourself, other humans , and have little respect for our earth I am very sorry. Hope some day you will be happy, otherwise your just another crazy with a gun.
 
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baumeister said:
My barn and trucks are all unlocked and the keys are in the ignition. Corse I'm in a quiet rural area. I don't carry guns but my mother has a shot gun. She's 80, still mows Wll her own grass all summer and knows very well when someone not welcome comes up the drive. Most people around here are very scared of my mother. The shot gun is mainly to keep geese off the lake in the summer cuz they shit the beach full. My brother and I have found other ways to keep them off after trying to shoot them with no luck. I had a fellow tree service help me load out some huge logs and one of their workers "conceal carried". When a mouse ran out one of the logs he got all excited and asked me if he should shoot it, he has a conceal carry permit.

My point: conceal carry permits are mostly for pussies. Those folk also have those brass balls hanging from their truck hitch, drive a jacked up truck with dick cypeck tires that they have to remove in the winter to plow because they don't work on the snow. Their bumper sticker says "my truck burns the gas your hybrid saves" and they wonder why they are always so mad and why people don't like them.

I am not surprised someone bringing up the gun issue mows lawns for a living and is mad someone might steal their stuff. I think one of the cancers of this earth are the people that pay others to mow their grass. Somehow, that cancer spreads to those who actually do the mowing. If you can't respect yourself, other humans , and have little respect for our earth I am very sorry. Hope some day you will be happy, otherwise your just another crazy with a gun.
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you live in the country...the wild animals around here are heavily armed, in gangs, on drugs, angry and need a LOT of money. I got a couple of streets for you to stroll down around midnight here and we see who the pussy is.
 
Yes treevet, I get that. No disrespect. I realize not everyone with a gun is an idiot or a pussy, I was ranting and raving about mostly the initial post that started this thread. I did say "mostly " and after posting I realized I might really piss some people that don't deserve my aggressive comments. But that is the cost of sharing ones perspective and our right in the first amendment. :) thanks for chiming in. If I was strolling down a at tree in your area at midnight I would certainly feel a lot less anxious with you and a gun. I would not carry, but I would also not choose to stroll the streets there at midnight just to prove I'm no pussy. But point taken.
 
treehumper said:
They want your mower to sell for drugs or whatever. Unless they're supplying the organ black market they want nothing to do with you. They come for your mower, step aside, nay, turn around and head to the backyard. You can always ask them to fire a shot in the air to let you know they're done....
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Gotta disagree with you bro. Slippery slope principle not only works but very efficiently. The fact that we, as a society, decided to start grabbing our ankles and telling the criminal element to, " go ahead and take it" without defending our rights is exactly why we are such a violent society. The thugs know that most of the victims they encounter will just roll over and give them what they want.

Not that long ago, when people stood firm, defended themselves, and made it very, very expensive for criminals to victimize folks, we had neighborhoods where children could play in the yard, indeed the neighborhood from sunup to sundown without supervision or fear of abduction. We left our cars unlocked and our homes.

The facts can't be denied, when you let the criminal element do what they want with the ineffective threat of "getting them in the end" the criminal element will always win.

Unless you (or the state) can personally guarantee my safety and that I won't be assaulted by a criminal then denying me the right to be prepared to defend myself in any way I deem appropriate is tantamount to tyranny, if not slavery.
 
Really? I guess it's an American thing. Canada, growing up in the 60s we played unsupervised until the street lights went on, walked or rode our bikes to school. Sure our parents warned against talking to strangers, etc... Maybe because that was a problem going back to these supposed good ole days even before us and our parents? We stood firm and defended ourselves? My dad never owned a gun and the only people I knew that did had them exclusively for hunting. I lived in Toronto btw not some rural community on the tundra.

What did change was the nature of people. We were just as likely to be called out for bad behavior by the neighbours anywhere as our parents. If something ever did happen you reported it to the police, not took the law into your own hands. I can count only once in my 55 yrs when I actually had a robbery that was reported. Has society as a whole become more violent? In the US and Canada I think so, not because of some notion that we used to defend ourselves but that people are pissed about losing more that by being law abiding citizens isn't what it used to be. It would seem that crime does pay and in many places it's the only thing that does. And it doesn't help that criminals are glorified and held up as "heroes".
 
treehumper said:
Really? I guess it's an American thing. Canada, growing up in the 60s we played unsupervised until the street lights went on, walked or rode our bikes to school. Sure our parents warned against talking to strangers, etc...
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Growing up in the 90s in Canada this was my childhood too. It's really only in the past 10-15 years that things have gone downhill. And I don't think it's because the crime rate has gone up (it's actually dropped in both countries) or the real danger has increased. It's only the perceived danger that has risen. Nowadays everyone lives in fear of the boogeyman in their mind.
 
Levi.CO said:
Well put.

Same for me. Keys are in the truck, house and garage unlocked.
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Same here except...I usually have a full tank of fuel, all my saws/tools, liquor, cash, weed and porn (gay porn cause that is what those criminals are into you know) in my truck.
Clearly... no reason to bother with my house.

Flip side...nothing being prepared for the worst, yet expecting the best.
 
I have never been in a place and thought, "you know what would help me feel better, a gun" I have been in sketchy parts of various major cities and I am glaringly white. I have talked my way out of a number of less than friendly situations. I have never truly worried for my safety enough to want a gun on me in public. I have also never felt attached enough to anything I own to shoot someone over it.
 
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