another backleaner

Daniel, how can so many otherwise well educated and professionally respected people be clueless?

Think about this rationally for a sec. One guy is going headlong against the opinions of dozens of other experienced guys... who is most likely to be barking up the wrong tree? ...so to speak.

Maybe you're a genius tree cutter who will utterly change the business of residential arboriculture... but what's more likely? You're assuming lots of people are wrong and you alone are right... that's a whole lot of assuming. Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
 
Sure I have..

And I've seen a contract climber that makes $400/day, is booked for weeks and regularly goes the penn-del ISA master's challenge, handle a saw like it was his first day on the job. I've got it on tape if you want to see it. Now this guy has worked for some big names in the business, and climbs his A$$ off.

A guy like that may look good on paper, but he doesn't have a clue about how I cut trees. After working with Big Jon, seeing his rigging etc., every other contract climber I have ever seen, except Pat and Riggs, makes me want to pull my hair out. So just cause you can climb and score well in competitions, doesn't mean a thing to me.

You gotta understand something.. most of the east coast cutters around Philly have NO CLUE about falling trees. That is why I refered to Mike Teti in an earlier post. He's a top notch contract climber. I've never seen him work , but I can just tell by looking at him and seeing his climbs in competition, he's on a par with guys like Riggs, as far as production. He came back from Katrina with a whole new mind set. He ran into some guys down there that showed him how to fall trees. He saw the light about what can be done with a saw. Riggs hasn't. And you haven't either.

I show you and Riggs and a whole lot of inexperienced people around here what can be done, and you all call it unsafe, becasue of your ignorance. Just the way the unnamed climber, described above, is not even close, so it is with the people here that call my work unsafe.

There are a bunch of people over in England that think the back leaning locust was no big deal. I agree with them.

On the pushing the limits video thread:
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=236235&an=0&page=0#236235

, every other critic was telling me how unsafe and risky the techniques shown were. You were THE ONLY ONE, that said it was just a few short cuts and no big deal. So who was right? You or everyone else. I say you were. That was nothing special for me. I cut trees like that everyday. So if these guys know so much, why were they all freaked out, while you downplayed it as common everyday work?

Then I post the 3 widowmaker video.
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=239960&an=0&page=0#239960

IT was 102º the day I took that second tree down, working in full afternoon sun. That is an example of first class tree climbing. Extremely dangerous work, done with total mastery. Other than possibly Graeme or Reg, is there another example of better tree climbing on youtube? A lot of experienced posters at other sites were calling it Bad-a$$ climbing, etc. Video got three replies here.. What's up with that? Was it over your heads? I dunno.. its a mystery to me..

MIND YOU, I don't even claim to be a great climber. On a good day, I AM OK on certain trees. BUT I couldn't shine Big Jon's shoes in a tree.. That's not my strength.

My strength is saw handling.

You keep saying, I havn't shown anything new or innovative, which is wrong.. I showed the step back cut on the Siberian Elm thread.. Had to explain it to you, everyone here at TB, at AS, and even to all the sacred cows at the TH, who calim to be the best of the best. That is my innovation. I made that up and it has tremendous benefits and widespread applications.

I also had to explain the plunge salami cut on hung widowmakers to "the best of the best" over there at the TH, BUT that was not my innovation. I learned that from the crew working Isabel with Dave Bryant, aka treeslayer.

And GUESS WHAT.. I haven't even shown you the real innovation. Why would I do that.. Share that pearl with a bunch of rude disrespectful smart-mouthed Sht-talkers. Take another look at that dead ash cut.. that cut took 30 seconds on 23" diameter wood. Next time you make a 23" notch and drop from the hooks, run the clock. You couldn't make that cut in under 2 minutes. Try it without the hooks.. you'd be lucky to get it done in under a minute.

So you can stick Occam's razor where the sun don't shine.. Cause I know what I can do and I do it safely.

And in my judgment, you, Blinky, have done a p'ss poor job of showing leadership on this site.

Are you willing to support Riggs' statement that its good to "stand at the stump during a fall and take it in"? I want to hear from you on that.. as well as Tom D. and anyone else here that claims to have a clue about falling trees.
 
Wow Daniel, please take a step back and look at how your representing yourself. I've tried responding to this thread many times to just delete my post.

I'm a rookie, I don't claim to be an expert but this rookie can see some serious flaws in your methods. I truly hope you can take a step back and look at the way you do your work, and change it. Best of luck to you, and please I believe I can speak for everyone, don't take these risks we don't want to see you or your crew hurt or killed.

If you think I'm full of it, well join the list I don't really care, but if you send me anymore personal love letters I'll just post em.
 
Now that is what I AM talking about..

Thank you EVO!!!

what more perfect example could there be of the ignorance at this site..

Here comes Evo, a self-admitted rookie, telling me I have "serious flaws in my methods", and I should change my methods...

THAT IS GORGEOUS..

Only thing that could be better is if Chip or Roger step in and tell him what a great post it was..

SO tell me rookie...
do you support Riggs' statement, that its good to "stand at the stump during a fall and take it in"?

I think that would make a good poll...
 
"I also had to explain the plunge salami cut on hung widowmakers"

Thanks.

I'm going to see that every time I close my eyes now.

Nobody cuts trees like Daniel...NOBODY
 
That is a misquote..

I said "nobody around here is cutting trees like me"

Get it straight and wipe that stupid grin off your face..

I think the falling large tree tops video should suffice in support of the above statement..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNV5gnZpMSo

If you're calling me a liar, you better have a name. What arborist in my market, the 5 county Philly area, is falling trees like that.

If there is one, and maybe there is, be patient.. my editor is due back soon...

And the above vid should also serve to show how full of it the bryn mawr boy is.. check it out Glen, there I AM, standing in the hooks, dropping big tops out of big trees, calm as can be. I know you have some crazy videos.. got any like that?
 
Staying at the stump...like a lot of things...it depends.

I can't remember being in the position that I needed to run from the stump though. If that were the case then I was too exposed and should have done something different to have more control.

Moving quickly away...lots of times.
 
Just cause you don't need to do something doesn't make it wrong.. You don't need to do a second gear check every day, but would you call that wrong?

And Tom, if you are falling in the woods.. YOU BETTER RUN. Maybe you should talk to Tim Walsh about that. The stats are eye opening.

How much experience do you have falling in the woods?

How 'bout training? Did you ever do the GOL trainig or at least watch the videos?

Nothing wrong with running, even if it is overkill.. If you don't need to stay at the stump, then why do it?
 
Lashing out. Hurling insults. Grizzly man finds himself a man alone, name dropping hurricanes and lunch meat cuts.

Pretty damn funny if you ask me.



The only video I am dying to see is the one where Daniel will show us all how he cleans gutters in a revolutionary way.


SZ
 
So... how much experience do you have Daniel? You make it sound like you've been working in the woods felling big ones and taking them apart in backyards for decades. The guys you say have no experience have all been at it for 5 to 35 years. The reason I ask is follow up to my last question. How can all these people be incompetent and own or work for tree services this long? Shouldn't they be dead or washing trucks or something?

Several do indeed compete in TCCs... maybe 5 or 10 days a year. The rest of the time they're doing trees just like the rest of us. TCC's are just for fun.

You're making this sound like we're all a bunch of greenhorns and you're pissed cuz we aren't gathering the pearls you cast at your feet. None of us are claiming superior knowledge, we're speaking from experience. Everybody knows if you do trees long enough, you're gonna see stuff go wrong. What we're saying is, when you do it that way (pulling with a skid steer, high stumping, micro notches...) sometimes shite goes sideways and that means luck is involved. Most of us don't like to rely on luck, even a little bit. There are so many risks in this business that you CAN'T avoid it makes no sense to take ones that you CAN.

Stumps... I walk away every time. I don't run, I don't stand and look. Once I know the tree is committed to the face I turn and walk away via my escape route. Half the time I don't even see the tree hit the ground. It's habit.

We all HAVE to stay by the cut when doing tops... but doing tops is doing tops, no other way to get it done. Frankly, I always get excited before pitching a big one, it's why I like this job.

And umm, Evo... He says he's a rookie since he's young but he's at least 2nd or 3rd generation tree people and I'm pretty sure he knows his way around chainsaws and tree tops.

That's the thing Daniel, most people here will UNDERSTATE their qualifications since it's more socially intelligent to show humility. None of us... except Riggs maybe, is gonna come at you with, "I know more than you since I've been doing it longer, on harder trees, in worse weather, with lobotomized groundies, blablabla." It's bad form... unless you're Riggs, he gets special dispensation.

Take a lesson from that if you ACTUALLY want to participate here... or with us 'best of the best' over at the TH. I'm not sure where that came from, they let me in and I'm average if anything. The TH guys are just older and less interested in talking about technical tree stuff... but not because they don't know it, more like, BECAUSE they know it. It's just a place to relax and BS with like minded folks. Good people to the very last one... even Skwerl. Go in with an attitude though and you'll have your axx handed to you.

I don't think anybody is enjoying these contentious threads but you keep making arrogant statements that some folks just can't let pass. That really sucks too cuz you didn't come here with an arrogant attitude, you seemed sincere and peaceful, shoulda fit right in. The combative thing made a mountain out of a mole hill. When people disagree with me and I still think I'm right, I just disengage.... after ripping them three new ones and dominating them utterly.

Seriously, all these people can't be wrong, or at least the odds are stupifyingly high against it. Think about that when you're out working and consider that we're all in the same basic business and most of us are here because we love it. We're not idiots, we're not clueless, we're professional arborists who do this stuff every day.
 
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Had to explain it to you, everyone here at TB, at AS, and even to all the sacred cows at the TH, who calim to be the best of the best.

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Speaking for some of the guys at AS.........we seldom watch your videos. Most of your vids are the same stuff we've been doing for years. Sorry to see your public meltdown, dude. You ought to get a grip and STFU for a bit.
 
Nobody around here is cutting hoagies like Daniel.. Nobody.

I'm proud to say that I've arrived at the Tree Buzz inner circle. Daniel is sending me love letters too. Soon I too, can anticipate admittance to the inner sanctum behind the arboreal veil, and the mysteries of high end gutter clearance will be revealed.


"From: Daniel
ONE look at your face and I can tell you're no tree man..

You ought to get out of the business.. You weren't made for it.. the second to the last guy I told that to, fell 30' and broke two lumbar vertebrae and his arm, and called himself lucky.. "


I don't even want to know what happened to the third to last guy! Just when I think Daniel can't come up with a more ridiculous remark, he, yet again exceeds my expectations.

I think Daniel needs a a big group hug.
 
Well Richard, ya gotta admit, nobody can do trees without a full head of hair... even if you have extra on back. Then there's that weak squared off chin... and those glasses! Clearly you're no tree man.

I'm thinking you should bail, Daniel said so and now that last next to last guy IS the third to last guy now and YOU my friend, are now the last guy... and that other last guy is now the second to last guy (I wonder what happened to him?). Thought I should sort that out for you. Anyway, STOP!


I know of a dog named lucky sounds a lot like that second to last guy... the first second to last guy, I mean, not the one now.
 
If a hung widowmaker fell prey to a plunge salami cut, in the middle of the forest.. would it still clear the gutters? These are the hard questions that need to be asked.
 
I just got a love note from Daniel bragging about how much money he made in one day cleaning gutters. Of course there is no way for me to disprove his claim of making $4,000 + in one day, but if it is true, I need to start growing out my mullet and study up on Feng shui.

SZ
 
Stefan, one look at your face, and it's clear that you're no gutter man. You ought to get out of the business...you weren't made for it. Heed my warning.. or mark my words.. you'll rue the day *cackle cackle*

I'd throw in some second to last guy references, but Blinky clearly owns that response!
 
i come to this thread to get my daily dose of laughing! these are classic: "I know more than you since I've been doing it longer, on harder trees, in worse weather, with lobotomized groundies, blablabla."
I just got a love note from Daniel bragging about how much money he made in one day cleaning gutters. Of course there is no way for me to disprove his claim of making $4,000 + in one day, but if it is true, I need to start growing out my mullet and study up on Feng shui. If a hung widowmaker fell prey to a plunge salami cut, in the middle of the forest.. would it still clear the gutters?
I'm thinking you should bail, Daniel said so and now that last next to last guy IS the third to last guy now and YOU my friend, are now the last guy... and that other last guy is now the second to last guy (I wonder what happened to him?). Thought I should sort that out for you. Anyway, STOP!



wow! this stuff is really funny. come on riggsy rip him a new one
 
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