treebing
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Detroit, Mi.
I didn't realize how much I missed the TreeSpyder.
About those mid-ties...
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SomethingWitty
Arkansawyer
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- LR
Yeah. I have to find a computer. I've been phone only for years.
That's what I'm talking about! Not gonna lie, at first I was thinking " what is he rambling about?" When I shut up and read, I realized he was schooling me-very humbled to be in a position to receive the knowledge. Apologies if I offended Tree Spyder, your knowledge and instruction is greatly appreciated!
SomethingWitty
Arkansawyer
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Every post I have seen from him is great. Why did y'all ever let him leave?
I'm new- never knew of him till he started posting again. Still makes my brain hurt tho-
CutHighnLetFly
Been here a while
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- Cape Cod, MA
I've never used spider legs nor worked with someone who used spider legs effectively or efficiently, id like to know when people prefer them too
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tc262
Branched out member
- Location
- SE Wisconsin
I use mid ties a lot on anything from 45deg to horizontal. I usually leave them just a bit tip heavy. I haven't read through this thread yet but here are the reasons I like them.
1) If the line is pre tensioned you can make your face cut then your back cut leaving just the hinge wood. The rig line will hold it and it gives you time to swing over somewhere out of the way or climb up so you never have to worry about getting hit by the piece being rigged. This is great for taking big pieces.
2) If the piece is close to being balanced its usually easier for the ground crew to move it around and position it where they like than a butt tie is.
3) The tips and butt end are both "lighter" if they happen to brush up against something on their way down.
4) Not as quick as a butt tie, but usually not much effort required to make it out to a mid. Much easier than getting out to a tip tie anyway.
1) If the line is pre tensioned you can make your face cut then your back cut leaving just the hinge wood. The rig line will hold it and it gives you time to swing over somewhere out of the way or climb up so you never have to worry about getting hit by the piece being rigged. This is great for taking big pieces.
2) If the piece is close to being balanced its usually easier for the ground crew to move it around and position it where they like than a butt tie is.
3) The tips and butt end are both "lighter" if they happen to brush up against something on their way down.
4) Not as quick as a butt tie, but usually not much effort required to make it out to a mid. Much easier than getting out to a tip tie anyway.
I use a spider leg when I have a piece that needs to stay horizontal. Usually when something is overreaching a building with not a lot of clearance.
CutHighnLetFly
Been here a while
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- Cape Cod, MA
@tc262 I usually tie it as far out as I can and rip cut it or wide notch it, but that's limited by rope angles which cause the piece to settle into the rope and need a certain amount of clearance. Not to mention poor rope angles putting climber at risk of catching the butt if it comes off the cut.
Does using a spider leg change these things at all? Im gunna splice one up to practice and see what the piece does, need to watch it move to understand I think
Does using a spider leg change these things at all? Im gunna splice one up to practice and see what the piece does, need to watch it move to understand I think
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Ridgefield, NJ
I've used spider legs sparingly. Usually when I want no movement due to proximity of targets.
tc262
Branched out member
- Location
- SE Wisconsin
A spider leg doesn't really change that.
Here's a few situations where I deploy a spider leg.
You have a very horizontal limb that you need to stay horizontal (ie you need to swing it off a roof). You can accomplish this with a perfectly placed mid tie but if your like me your guess to exactly where the center of gravity of the limb is, is a little off. With a spider leg as long as the CG is anywhere between the two legs of line (and are the same length) the limb will stay horizontal.
Another instance when there is a 45 deg limb you can raise one of the legs up and can get the piece to come off and stay pretty close to the same orientation it was in when it was attached. If set up right there can be very little movement when the piece is cut free.
Here's a few situations where I deploy a spider leg.
You have a very horizontal limb that you need to stay horizontal (ie you need to swing it off a roof). You can accomplish this with a perfectly placed mid tie but if your like me your guess to exactly where the center of gravity of the limb is, is a little off. With a spider leg as long as the CG is anywhere between the two legs of line (and are the same length) the limb will stay horizontal.
Another instance when there is a 45 deg limb you can raise one of the legs up and can get the piece to come off and stay pretty close to the same orientation it was in when it was attached. If set up right there can be very little movement when the piece is cut free.
