About those mid-ties...
- Thread starter Frax
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100% why I use this.....
Laughing reading this...until I had an inexperienced crew sent out to cut a beast of a tree.......and I mean a beast! Easily 100-110' pine , co-dominate with ridiculous limbs easy 48" dbh (14' circumference at the base) We had an 8' drop zone which called for multiple redirects. The foreman was an experienced trimmer, but not with removals. I ran ropes ( with my own gear) for about an hour before offering to"show him some tricks". I got in the bucket at 9am and got out at 4pm ( had to get home 2 1/2 hours away). There's still over half a tree left......OMG where's the crane! Anyways, I finally realized the real WORTH of a good rope man.......or you know what......good training! How come everyone thinks if you give a man a 70' boom he can cut down anything you put him on? Everyone should have to be a rope man for a climber - and then a climber before they ever get a bucket! Got a call at 8am this morning, they're" pulling off of the tree". Looks like I'm going back to finish. The forester for the utility says all other tree crews declined the tree......Sounds like a challenge to me! I'll post some pics on the work photos thread.
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And you said to me before that we had some monster trees up here. Someone feed that bitch miracle grow?
Hahahaha....trying to enjoy my off time....so much for that! Headed to Eatonton-about an hour and a half away - I should be there by midnight! Another company cut a 90 to 100 ft pine. It went the wrong way-completely off the stump -hung in another tree- over the power line!! Time time for some time for some action!!!
Treezybreez
Been here much more than a while
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- Lancaster, SC
That sounds pretty harry. You definitely need some pics to post here. What is your plan of action? I would make them sign some no liability clause just in case it drops on the lines.
Be safe mother. Hope your getting emergency pay!!!
I first posted this last night but I forgot to hit ''send'' ..... stupid, stupid,stupid.....Be safe mother. Hope your getting emergency pay!!!
Too dark for pics-it was a total shitshow though. Luckily for me, the first tree they had cut already knocked the primary down. The second tree was tied off to another tree with a tie-down chain and some harbor-freight rope! Ended up setting a rope in the top with the elevator -ran it through a block on a maple about 120' away and pulled it over with my F250. Didn't feel comfortable piecing it down cuz there was no real way to secure it and it was right in front of someone's house. Lucky for me, she went parallel with the line and went right where we wanted her! The trip there took longer than the removal.
Nice video, Levi. Smooth work as always from the Rocket boys.
Plus. I'd almost forgotten the "beauty" of Colorado's dead Sibos. Not missing. Them at all.
treebing
Been here much more than a while
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- Detroit, Mi.
I think you actually were the one that got me started using it regularly with one of your videos a while back that you posted here on the buzz.
Thanks Craig.
Don't worry, there will be plenty of dead Elms when you get back................everyone comes back
Frax
Participating member
Definitely not a troll comment. There's been at least one good video in this thread showing it done to good and safe effect.
That's what I'm looking for. Want to see more of it. I don't think it's something I'd do lots of, but it's definitely a useful technique.
I like no surprises when rigging.
RIVIEZZO TREE EXPERTS
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- kent lakes
I mid tie or use a balencing sling all the time to rotate more controlled with a tag line over wires the guys at the town are useless so I make as easy as I can. My guys for my business we just do any method for that job that's the fastest and safest
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
I've used it as part of the bag of tricks. When it serves the purpose to move the limb through 3 dimensions. A near balanced tie can can slip through a gap, over an obstacle and get the piece to the ground without any excitement save for the feeling of nailing it.
TheTreeSpyder
Branched out member
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- Florida>>> USA
For me, on a horizontal limb being rigged;
near mid tie gives:
The length of the limb to press down with to auto pre-tighten the line even more than did for more float on rig
(the nearer the hinge the hitch point the less line pulled tight/purchase taken like this);
then the butt hinge itself is just another type of rigging fiber to be a double line rig for more of a horizontal cradle/ hand-off of load, to load hitch_point closer and tighter under support point until tearoff!
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i cut thru the hinge (or allow tear) when done with it like cutting a short piece of junk line was just using to keep butt-end hitched to keep load high, until hinge_point on load was closer to underneath support point.
THE MORE TOWARDS BALANCE POINT HITCH,
THE MORE LEVERAGE HINGE HAS TO KEEP SPAR HORIZONTAL!
.
IF can dance it right, can get such intense pull from rig line sideways to support off of house line;
as to force a stronger hinge, to then fold across with 2 tighter rigging lines(one hinge instead of rope fiber)
.
In conjunction with the self tightening of the line effect, and to make more intense;
if enough clearance to start would not just cut to fold down some (to tighten line) but also try to get to lay back some from support point in opposite direction for even more intense tightening and called it rock-around-the-clock.
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On delivery, easier to tip and nose around by groundie's (tree guys with enough sense not to climb!).
But also might have a 20' line hanging from butt end, for ground control to grab and pivot head around , float over obstacle etc. Or, that might have been a short rigging line that was used on butt to putt load into position under support while load still fairly horizontal; that then evolved to using the hinge as a dispensable rope...
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This evolved from crane work and not butt tying horizontals, to seeing tree architecture as set of fixed crane booms.
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All this to the point of line slacking as folds towards support point form side, must move down, even opposite direction to self tighten (as this mechanic's specific counter-intutitve paradigm shift that defines it).
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old msPaint pic; i believe i originally maid for ISA BBS on dial-up and wait plan of free 25hr/mo. walmart internet CD;
when there were only a hand-full of tree guys on the planet with computers!
(and TD was promoting/posting so much, he was 2 of 'em)
.
near mid tie gives:
The length of the limb to press down with to auto pre-tighten the line even more than did for more float on rig
(the nearer the hinge the hitch point the less line pulled tight/purchase taken like this);
then the butt hinge itself is just another type of rigging fiber to be a double line rig for more of a horizontal cradle/ hand-off of load, to load hitch_point closer and tighter under support point until tearoff!
.
i cut thru the hinge (or allow tear) when done with it like cutting a short piece of junk line was just using to keep butt-end hitched to keep load high, until hinge_point on load was closer to underneath support point.
THE MORE TOWARDS BALANCE POINT HITCH,
THE MORE LEVERAGE HINGE HAS TO KEEP SPAR HORIZONTAL!
.
IF can dance it right, can get such intense pull from rig line sideways to support off of house line;
as to force a stronger hinge, to then fold across with 2 tighter rigging lines(one hinge instead of rope fiber)
.
In conjunction with the self tightening of the line effect, and to make more intense;
if enough clearance to start would not just cut to fold down some (to tighten line) but also try to get to lay back some from support point in opposite direction for even more intense tightening and called it rock-around-the-clock.
.
On delivery, easier to tip and nose around by groundie's (tree guys with enough sense not to climb!).
But also might have a 20' line hanging from butt end, for ground control to grab and pivot head around , float over obstacle etc. Or, that might have been a short rigging line that was used on butt to putt load into position under support while load still fairly horizontal; that then evolved to using the hinge as a dispensable rope...
.
This evolved from crane work and not butt tying horizontals, to seeing tree architecture as set of fixed crane booms.
.
All this to the point of line slacking as folds towards support point form side, must move down, even opposite direction to self tighten (as this mechanic's specific counter-intutitve paradigm shift that defines it).
.
old msPaint pic; i believe i originally maid for ISA BBS on dial-up and wait plan of free 25hr/mo. walmart internet CD;
when there were only a hand-full of tree guys on the planet with computers!
(and TD was promoting/posting so much, he was 2 of 'em)
.
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I would agree with you. But I have watched Levi's bro use the mid tie really effectively. I think the advantage is that you can take more limb because you are limited by height with the butt tie. with the mid tie the limb will come down flat. True , you must be careful because the butt can come in on you and the limb can get a little wild. Me personally when I have plenty of height I will butt tie also. In tight locations or not a lot of height I will tip tie and pull the tip into the lowering point that way I can get a lot of limb in one cut with a lot of control. Each method has its place.
This is very confusing.For me, on a horizontal limb being rigged;
near mid tie gives:
The length of the limb to press down with to auto pre-tighten the line even more than did for more float on rig
(the nearer the hinge the hitch point the less line pulled tight/purchase taken like this);
then the butt hinge itself is just another type of rigging fiber to be a double line rig for more of a horizontal cradle/ hand-off of load, to load hitch_point closer and tighter under support point until tearoff!
.
i cut thru the hinge (or allow tear) when done with it like cutting a short piece of junk line was just using to keep butt-end hitched to keep load high, until hinge_point on load was closer to underneath support point.
THE MORE TOWARDS BALANCE POINT HITCH,
THE MORE LEVERAGE HINGE HAS TO KEEP SPAR HORIZONTAL!
.
IF can dance it right, can get such intense pull from rig line sideways to support off of house line;
as to force a stronger hinge, to then fold across with 2 tighter rigging lines(one hinge instead of rope fiber)
.
In conjunction with the self tightening of the line effect, and to make more intense;
if enough clearance to start would not just cut to fold down some (to tighten line) but also try to get to lay back some from support point in opposite direction for even more intense tightening and called it rock-around-the-clock.
.
On delivery, easier to tip and nose around by groundie's (tree guys with enough sense not to climb!).
But also might have a 20' line hanging from butt end, for ground control to grab and pivot head around , float over obstacle etc. Or, that might have been a short rigging line that was used on butt to putt load into position under support while load still fairly horizontal; that then evolved to using the hinge as a dispensable rope...
.
This evolved from crane work and not butt tying horizontals, to seeing tree architecture as set of fixed crane booms.
.
All this to the point of line slacking as folds towards support point form side, must move down, even opposite direction to self tighten (as this mechanic's specific counter-intutitve paradigm shift that defines it).
.
old msPaint pic; i believe i originally maid for ISA BBS on dial-up and wait plan of free 25hr/mo. walmart internet CD;
when there were only a hand-full of tree guys on the planet with computers!
(and TD was promoting/posting so much, he was 2 of 'em)
.
