2016 srtwp redirects
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moss
Been here much more than a while
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- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
That's very cool, the bungee holds the pin from slipping out, a good tug overcomes the bungee and releases. Excellent hook device too!
moss
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- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
It's official, I'm obsessed with the fiddlestick retrievable redirect concept, I should probably create a new thread just for the fiddly-diddly sticks.
Here's a new version made from a scrap piece of mahogany, bamboo and some 2mm throwline. Loops are on both ends to allow options for where the release cord is anchored.
Here's detail of the top loop. The throwline loop is closed with a figure 8 and stuffed into a 1/4" drilled hole, whittled a bamboo keeper dowel which is driven through and captures the loop inside the fiddlestick.
Here's a new version made from a scrap piece of mahogany, bamboo and some 2mm throwline. Loops are on both ends to allow options for where the release cord is anchored.
Here's detail of the top loop. The throwline loop is closed with a figure 8 and stuffed into a 1/4" drilled hole, whittled a bamboo keeper dowel which is driven through and captures the loop inside the fiddlestick.
TimBr
Official Well Known Greeter
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- Northern Virginia
@moss; Do you have an idea in your mind about a maximum distance from which you would want to try to use the fiddlestick? I guess I'm wondering how much recovery line would be manageable. Thanks in advance for any answers, and also for showing us all of your beautiful workmanship.
Tim
Tim
rockettree
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- Location
- Boulder, CO!
I have about 75' of small dia cord stuffed into a chalk bag, very compact.
Steve Connally
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- Suffolk, Virginia
Wow, that's awesome. I'm slowly coming around.
This looks mint, mahogany is one of species I cut most of....beautiful trees.....It's official, I'm obsessed with the fiddlestick retrievable redirect concept, I should probably create a new thread just for the fiddly-diddly sticks.
Here's a new version made from a scrap piece of mahogany, bamboo and some 2mm throwline. Loops are on both ends to allow options for where the release cord is anchored.
Here's detail of the top loop. The throwline loop is closed with a figure 8 and stuffed into a 1/4" drilled hole, whittled a bamboo keeper dowel which is driven through and captures the loop inside the fiddlestick.
The ability to "glue" a redirect any ol' place with very little to no rope hauling (ex. dragging a rope through a crotch) with a fiddle stick is very alluring. I get that excitement. Having said that I quickly cool to it thinking about the myriad of ways that something could pull the "rip" cord.
I do admit the bungie idea on the ropepin made it seem better but I keep thinking a worked limb or dead wood or me accidentally tripping the redirect is gonna leave a mark.
It seems even more concerning if you used two or three at a time.
I must be missing something..?
I do admit the bungie idea on the ropepin made it seem better but I keep thinking a worked limb or dead wood or me accidentally tripping the redirect is gonna leave a mark.
It seems even more concerning if you used two or three at a time.
I must be missing something..?
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I was thinking of trying to make one out of aluminum with a hole through the middle for the retrieval line. Don't know if you can make sense out of this picture ( not sure I even can ) but the idea is to either use double throw line to the ground or add a weight that would also act as a stopper to keep the wedge in place if something got hung up in the retrieval line. Having the slot cut in one side for the throw line would keep the wedge from pulling out. You could also make a recess for the retrieval knott or maybe use a flat washer just to keep things smooth on the retrieval. Anyway probably just overcomplicating things, but it's all in good fun.
SingleJack
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- Location
- W MD
Here's another brand of canyoneering fiddlestick:
http://bg-gear.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
Their instructions show a carabiner through each end to help keep it secure until it's pulled out.
http://bg-gear.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
Their instructions show a carabiner through each end to help keep it secure until it's pulled out.
TimBr
Official Well Known Greeter
- Location
- Northern Virginia
I'm the guy who doesn't get it sometimes. If you lock the ends of the fiddlestick off with carabiners, doesn't it defeat the purpose of the fiddlestick in the first place?
Ok, disregard. I was stumped too. Reading through the instructions - which I couldn't do on my phone- the carabiners are there for security while multiple people rappel down, then..."Before rappelling the last person must remove both safety carabiners."
That was my thought too.
TimBr
Official Well Known Greeter
- Location
- Northern Virginia
Ok, now that makes sense. It's intended as a canyoneering tool, a type of climbing I'm unfamiliar with, in which a sizeable party of folks would all try to use the same gear to progress along the same route.
All but the last person down would be able to operate with almost complete safety, and only one climber would be exposed to the risk of the fiddlestick pulling out at the wrong time.
Thanks for the clarification.
Tim
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All but the last person down would be able to operate with almost complete safety, and only one climber would be exposed to the risk of the fiddlestick pulling out at the wrong time.
Thanks for the clarification.
Tim[/QUOTE]
I'd hate to draw the short stick on that one, going for an unexpected swing back to your TIP is one thing but falling off a cliff.. ouch.
All but the last person down would be able to operate with almost complete safety, and only one climber would be exposed to the risk of the fiddlestick pulling out at the wrong time.
Thanks for the clarification.
Tim[/QUOTE]
I'd hate to draw the short stick on that one, going for an unexpected swing back to your TIP is one thing but falling off a cliff.. ouch.
moss
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
The ability to "glue" a redirect any ol' place with very little to no rope hauling (ex. dragging a rope through a crotch) with a fiddle stick is very alluring. I get that excitement. Having said that I quickly cool to it thinking about the myriad of ways that something could pull the "rip" cord.
I do admit the bungie idea on the ropepin made it seem better but I keep thinking a worked limb or dead wood or me accidentally tripping the redirect is gonna leave a mark.
It seems even more concerning if you used two or three at a time.
I must be missing something..?
Yeah it would be a pain to have a bunch of pull cords hanging out of a tree, moderation in everything.
I used it today for a dead tree removal. Used double rope SRT, out of trees on opposite sides of the removal tree. I set it up so that if it failed, impact on me would be minimal, after all I'm testing this.
I used 50' of bright orange pull cord, explained to my ground worker what it was. I threw the pull cord away from the work area, it was never anywhere near the action in the tree, on the ground or in between. It released well after I was on the ground. It didn't resist pullout as much as I'd like, the taper angle is less aggressive than the previous prototype. The next one will go back to the more aggressive taper.
This is experimental, ultimately something like this is going to be another tool in the bag of tricks, I don't believe there is a silver bullet for any problem in tree climbing but there are techniques and gear that improve climbing.
-AJ
moss
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- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
123Craig
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As ever moss - amazing work. Keep it up!
