2016 srtwp redirects

Tuebor said:
Have you tried a ring and ring friction saver with a blocking knot on the retrieval leg?
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Yes.
I don't like it because one of the reasons I like SRT is not having to retrieve something that could possibly get stuck (not saying you can't get shit stuck srt, just wayyy less of a chance). Also don't like having to retrieve something that requires it "falling" out of the tree.
 
wyatt spruck said:
@oceans @SoftBankHawks @Worthaug
Do you doods have any tricks for measuring out your desired working line/tail length and canopy anchoring your line, without having to pass your whole system/whole working length of line through a running bowline or other method of canopy cinch?
To clarify:
How can I create a canopy anchor with enough retrieval tail AND not TOO MUCH working line (to minimize rope management time)? I'm just wondering if there's a trick while you're setting it that could aid in tidying things.
Is it more ideal to have a separate retrieval rope?

This is installment #1 of a very long list of SRT/SRWP-related questions I am looking forward to annoying you all with :)
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Wyatt, you're looking in all the right directions! If you have a DdRT background, I strongly suggest the FS Knot Block Technique for Canopy Anchoring. Everyone else that chimed in (SBH, Worthy, Kays, Jonny, Levi, Tuebor...) has already said this, but I'll just unpack it a bit more...all you need to carry is a Rr FS and about 100' of 8mm accessory cord in a small ditty bag.

Start by isolating a solid TIP and send up a Running Bowline. Hang your FS on your saddle and begin ascent, working SRWP along the way if desired. Upon reaching your Running Bowline, lanyard in and untie to reconfigure DdRT for relocation to your desired TIP. Once there, install your FS and thread your climb line into it by passing the working end through the Big Ring then the Small Ring. Keep pulling until the desired amount of Fall remains to work the tree with. Tie an Alpine Butterfly into the retrieval side of the climb line as a knot block. Spike it with a biner and tie on the 8mm cord. Pitch the ditty bag out of the crown in a clean area out of the work zone.

This all sounds CRAZZZZZZY at first...I know...but it's not really. Here's why (all my humble opinion, of course); Why hang heavy, expensive climb line out of the crown just to use for a retrieval leg? Rather, use less expensive, light weight cordage that does the same job. You can even put an ascender on the 8mm stuff for retrieval if you've run several higher friction natural redirects. There's also a trick to make a short 6" long jacket out of a normal climb line cover to place over the 8mm cordage where it rides in the ascender for better compatibility. If you have 80' tall trees, and a 200' climb line with a nick in the middle, you've actually got 2 lines perfectly suited for this technique! I could go on...but I think you get the picture. SRWP also allows you to still use that same line by cutting at the damaged spot and tying to the original portion, or any other line with a Zeppelin Bend to make it suitable for base anchoring. I usually like a very static line on the anchor side, and a line with more energy absorption for the working side. Woops, I just went on again.
 
wyatt spruck said:
Yes.
I don't like it because one of the reasons I like SRT is not having to retrieve something that could possibly get stuck (not saying you can't get shit stuck srt, just wayyy less of a chance). Also don't like having to retrieve something that requires it "falling" out of the tree.
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You can retrieve a FS with a throwline...

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
 
wyatt spruck said:
Also don't like having to retrieve something that requires it "falling" out of the tree.
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Worthaug said:
You can retrieve a FS with a throwline...
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oceans said:
I can also cut the flesh on my hand with a throwline. Haha! Glad you know the biner trick. ;) My only issue is throwline hanging around in a tall tree on a windy day, or when branches are being pitched to the ground anywhere nearby.
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So very true about cutting flesh! You have to deal with that enough when pulling your climbing line into a tree with a throw line. However, Oceans, I believe Worthaug was pointing out the use of throw line to keep things from falling from the canopy while retrieving. Oceans, which 8mm line do you use, I know I have seen you post it in a different thread, but could you repost it here. I use a really cheap 8mm line and, though it works and all, I don't like the feel and fall of it if you know what I mean. Thanks.
 
oceans said:
Wyatt, you're looking in all the right directions! If you have a DdRT background, I strongly suggest the FS Knot Block Technique for Canopy Anchoring. Everyone else that chimed in (SBH, Worthy, Kays, Jonny, Levi, Tuebor...) has already said this, but I'll just unpack it a bit more...all you need to carry is a Rr FS and about 100' of 8mm accessory cord in a small ditty bag.

Start by isolating a solid TIP and send up a Running Bowline. Hang your FS on your saddle and begin ascent, working SRWP along the way if desired. Upon reaching your Running Bowline, lanyard in and untie to reconfigure DdRT for relocation to your desired TIP. Once there, install your FS and thread your climb line into it by passing the working end through the Big Ring then the Small Ring. Keep pulling until the desired amount of Fall remains to work the tree with. Tie an Alpine Butterfly into the retrieval side of the climb line as a knot block. Spike it with a biner and tie on the 8mm cord. Pitch the ditty bag out of the crown in a clean area out of the work zone.

This all sounds CRAZZZZZZY at first...I know...but it's not really. Here's why (all my humble opinion, of course); Why hang heavy, expensive climb line out of the crown just to use for a retrieval leg? Rather, use less expensive, light weight cordage that does the same job. You can even put an ascender on the 8mm stuff for retrieval if you've run several higher friction natural redirects. There's also a trick to make a short 6" long jacket out of a normal climb line cover to place over the 8mm cordage where it rides in the ascender for better compatibility. If you have 80' tall trees, and a 200' climb line with a nick in the middle, you've actually got 2 lines perfectly suited for this technique! I could go on...but I think you get the picture. SRWP also allows you to still use that same line by cutting at the damaged spot and tying to the original portion, or any other line with a Zeppelin Bend to make it suitable for base anchoring. I usually like a very static line on the anchor side, and a line with more energy absorption for the working side. Woops, I just went on again.
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Wow I appreciate the thorough response about this. I see what you guys are getting at with the friction saver TIP for the most part.

Ok so let me get retrieval clarified though:
You tie the accessory cordage where? And you lost me a bit with the "ascender on the accessory cordage" thing.

In response to my climbing line situation right now: I have a 90ish foot Hank of 11mm HTP and a 120 foot of green 12mm Imori
Been using the HTP as my working line and the Imori as a canopy anchor retrieval line.
I've used the HTP as a base leg before in order to extend my working length in tall trees (actually just used this technique the other day in this video
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I'll give this R/R thing a shot today at work.
Will this work with a multi sling and revolver ? Same idea I'm assuming?
 
SoftBankHawks said:
Yea, just cut your long rope in two, seems much more flexible like this.
There are soooooo many techniques, it's better to try 'em all a little, that way you can start to design your own that should be fitting for you, the trees and your work.
Right now I'm thinking about rigging 'inside' or 'outside', like DdRT tends to rig inside the tree structure and SRT to the outside, not always of course, nothing is ever always but this gives me enough of a distinction. Spar work can be tiresome if you choose to rig 'outside', that's why I always use anchor rings.
You've reminded me of something, I'm gonna start a new thread!
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Ok...I'm sorry but could you elaborate further on the DdRT rigging inside vs SRT rigging outside thing? Lost me a bit.
 
John_KAYS said:
So very true about cutting flesh! You have to deal with that enough when pulling your climbing line into a tree with a throw line. However, Oceans, I believe Worthaug was pointing out the use of throw line to keep things from falling from the canopy while retrieving. Oceans, which 8mm line do you use, I know I have seen you post it in a different thread, but could you repost it here. I use a really cheap 8mm line and, though it works and all, I don't like the feel and fall of it if you know what I mean. Thanks.
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Yes! We are referring to the same thing regarding retrieval. The wink to Reed was a reference to a climb we did together, during which I used the Rr FS Knot Block system. I passed some fairly tight redi's when moving from a Q. alba into a F. grandifolia. I chose to leave the throwbag on the line as a retrieval ball for the Rr FS (long story...too long on the road without my normal kit). Anyway, so, the bag got rather wedged in the last redi of the alba and began threatening to stay there. Reed pulled back on the Throwline with a carabiner to free it up and TOTALLY saved the day. The story ends there shortly after with a safe soft retrieve of the FS. Without the carabiner (or small stick) on the Throwline trick, there may have been blood.

That's it! That's the whole story. And yes, Reep Schnur of the 8mm variety stuffs well into a small ditty for retrieval. @wyatt spruck, if you're using the 8mm line as a pull line (tied to the knot block to pull it away from the small ring of the FS), and you pass some higher friction redirects during the climb, you can put an ascender on the 8mm line to make it easier to pull (not for climbing at all). If it's too thin for your particular ascender to grab properly, make the little sleeve for it to up the diameter. The sleeve slides with the ascender cam while it moves along the line as you're pulling to retrieve.

I hope that all made sense.
 
oceans said:
Yes! We are referring to the same thing regarding retrieval. The wink to Reed was a reference to a climb we did together, during which I used the Rr FS Knot Block system. I passed some fairly tight redi's when moving from a Q. alba into a F. grandifolia. I chose to leave the throwbag on the line as a retrieval ball for the Rr FS (long story...too long on the road without my normal kit). Anyway, so, the bag got rather wedged in the last redi of the alba and began threatening to stay there. Reed pulled back on the Throwline with a carabiner to free it up and TOTALLY saved the day. The story ends there shortly after with a safe soft retrieve of the FS. Without the carabiner (or small stick) on the Throwline trick, there may have been blood.

That's it! That's the whole story. And yes, Reep Schnur of the 8mm variety stuffs well into a small ditty for retrieval. @wyatt spruck, if you're using the 8mm line as a pull line (tied to the knot block to pull it away from the small ring of the FS), and you pass some higher friction redirects during the climb, you can put an ascender on the 8mm line to make it easier to pull (not for climbing at all). If it's too thin for your particular ascender to grab properly, make the little sleeve for it to up the diameter. The sleeve slides with the ascender cam while it moves along the line as you're pulling to retrieve.

I hope that all made sense.
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And, don't forget to take the stick or carabiner off the throwline before continuing to pull your climb line out... that almost happened too [emoji13]

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
 
oceans said:
Yes! We are referring to the same thing regarding retrieval. The wink to Reed was a reference to a climb we did together, during which I used the Rr FS Knot Block system. I passed some fairly tight redi's when moving from a Q. alba into a F. grandifolia. I chose to leave the throwbag on the line as a retrieval ball for the Rr FS (long story...too long on the road without my normal kit). Anyway, so, the bag got rather wedged in the last redi of the alba and began threatening to stay there. Reed pulled back on the Throwline with a carabiner to free it up and TOTALLY saved the day. The story ends there shortly after with a safe soft retrieve of the FS. Without the carabiner (or small stick) on the Throwline trick, there may have been blood.

That's it! That's the whole story. And yes, Reep Schnur of the 8mm variety stuffs well into a small ditty for retrieval. @wyatt spruck, if you're using the 8mm line as a pull line (tied to the knot block to pull it away from the small ring of the FS), and you pass some higher friction redirects during the climb, you can put an ascender on the 8mm line to make it easier to pull (not for climbing at all). If it's too thin for your particular ascender to grab properly, make the little sleeve for it to up the diameter. The sleeve slides with the ascender cam while it moves along the line as you're pulling to retrieve.

I hope that all made sense.
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Fine! I am obviously out of the loop. Why did I even question that Oceans could have missed something. Sorry to confuse things! I'll stay out of it.:popcorn: Proooceed.
 
Jeff_Cochran said:
lets see what you got buzzards. i saw a post on "i love srt" that a guy had on loop a ring and something else and said that is all he ever needed for redirects. I got a couple simple ones i have been playing with. I will post pics soon
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Great thread so far.
At 7:10 on this video is the best redirect I've come across and I now use it 90% of the time.
It allows you to distribute the loads equally either side of the redirect branch to avoid undesirable loading of the branch.
It's simple.
It's safer.
It's brilliant.
Credit to Morty for making the video.

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=1444284
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I appreciate all the discussion doods
This was fun.
Let's do it again sometime

Ordered a BDB from Gordon on Sunday...will be here Thursday.

I will be trying my best to incorporate some new tricks I've picked up from you guys.

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wyatt spruck said:
I appreciate all the discussion doods
This was fun.
Let's do it again sometime

Ordered a BDB from Gordon on Sunday...will be here Thursday.

I will be trying my best to incorporate some new tricks I've picked up from you guys.

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Once you get your hands on bdb your redirects may change to useing less hardware with more natural redirecting ,due to the fact how fast and easy the bone comes off rope and back on.With nothing to drop. More often I just toss a night over a crotch creating a pony tail if I know I'm only useing the redi for a short time. If I need more line than the pony can offer I'll put my whole line through redi and have a biner on my tail that I clip on the line on side I want to retrieve back to. Easy and effective. I like it as well because it can be done away from the redirect .Or you don't have to be right there at the spot to achieve the redi.. Can be set and retrieved remotely
 
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