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wyatt spruck said:
This is a new idea to me, the minimal tail thing.
A lightbulb just kind came on in my head: "having a pile of rope to manage in a tree sucks". I like the idea of having less tail to screw around with

So you anchor your line with just enough tail to reach the ground? What happens if you want to descend to the ground from a natural redirect? Do you have to climb back through it so you have enough tail to get back to the ground?

I suppose you could just anchor your rope with enough to the reach the ground plus X amount of feet to accommodate the added redirect. But that requires the foresight to recognize the need for it before you leave the ground.

Am I getting it or am not getting it
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It certainly does depend on what ever rigging goes on up in the crown. The multi sling re-direct requires way too much rope to be successful other than on small pitches.
Do you have a DdRT background? Those guys match up rope lengths to tree height, can you imagine, owning several different lengths of rope depending on the tree you are climbing, hawhaw....
The presumption that SRT can do it all may send you to the mad house with all that fiddlin'.
 
Levi.CO said:
Exactly. Guesstimate how much you will need if you're going to leave some natural redirects during the climb. Other than that, just hang it to the ground.
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I agree. After I use the Throwline and pull my climb line into the tree, I pull enough until I can throw the climbing side out to the drip line of the crown, plus a few extra if it looks like I want to raise my TIP, then I base anchor the remainder.
 
I can't go without this sling on any climb.
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It can be used as a friction saver, a retrievable redirect, a split tail, and a monkey tail. It's on my saddle, it's light and multipurpose... I use retrievable redirects alot. It doesn't take a lot of time. It's great, nuff said.

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
 
@SoftBankHawks
Yes I understand what you're saying with the second line
You build the redirect by attaching a ring loop to your primary working line, pass the second line over the desired point of redirect and pass the end through the ring loop, tie a midline AB with a long tail for retrieval (I watched your video on the you tubes. I nearly spit out my coffee this morning because it was BLOWING MY FREAKIN MIND.)

I think it's neat that the second line load shares with the primary line (via the ring loop) and the chosen redirect/secondary anchor point.

Very slick. And smart. I can dig it.




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oceans said:
I agree. After I use the Throwline and pull my climb line into the tree, I pull enough until I can throw the climbing side out to the drip line of the crown, plus a few extra if it looks like I want to raise my TIP, then I base anchor the remainder.
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@oceans I watched your video (DSRT I think)
I found that alternating anchor to anchor on two bones (just like Paul's vid with the crazy Japanese (?) subtitles) was unique and fascinating. Having two manage two ropes seems very cumbersome on paper, but watching it in action it looks quite efficient and comfortable.
 
wyatt spruck said:
@SoftBankHawks
Yes I understand what you're saying with the second line
You build the redirect by attaching a ring loop to your primary working line, pass the second line over the desired point of redirect and pass the end through the ring loop, tie a midline AB with a long tail for retrieval (I watched your video on the you tubes. I nearly spit out my coffee this morning because it was BLOWING MY FREAKIN MIND.)

I think it's neat that the second line load shares with the primary line (via the ring loop) and the chosen redirect/secondary anchor point.

Very slick. And smart. I can dig it.




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OK. Good. But here is the thing, until Eric came to Japan I had been working working working away on a crown system that I haven't bothered to explain on-line yet because whenever I showed someone there was this kind of sinking away feeling, you know, mentally, like 'What the fuck is this guy doing'...it perhaps did have interest and application but by then I had forgotten a crucial thing about stationary rope, that areas of it offer such clean rigging and workable solutions and I decided with no hesitation that that was gonna be my mantra this year. I'm totally with Reed and his sentiment that simplicity can equal regression but good design is something else. That and fluid rigging.
 
wyatt spruck said:
Let's all just be honest.
We like f***ing around with rings and pulleys and slings and stuff because it's fun. Tinkering is fun. Inventing new redirects is fun. Natural redirects are easier and honestly faster. But a creative person (with the drive to invent, and create, and test, and experiment) cannot reinvent or improve upon the a branch union.

Get what I'm saying? I'm not arguing that retreivable redis are better or that they are neccessary.
Personally, I want to tinker. Like a mad scientist. Mwhahaha.
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No argument here Wyatt

Levi.CO said:
One of my favorite things about srt in general is that you can set your line so that you have the minimum tail needed for the climb. Make sense?
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My light bulb moment was oceans' snow video, I was in the habit if anchoring the short side and just hadn't considered the other way. Major change for me
 
Worthaug said:
I can't go without this sling on any climb.
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It can be used as a friction saver, a retrievable redirect, a split tail, and a monkey tail. It's on my saddle, it's light and multipurpose... I use retrievable redirects alot. It doesn't take a lot of time. It's great, nuff said.

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
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Guess I've been thinking about this statement a lot today. I have several retrievable redirects in the bag and only carry them on a case by case basis. This led me to wonder if I am missing the boat on things. Could be or maybe its the kind of work I do and the trees I climb. I'm sure Asheville has way more broad canopy hardwoods than the ocean area I work on. Lots of pines, gums, oaks but not the big beautiful ones you've got out there. Maples and such but seems the crown on the majority of what we work on are not broad and often crowded by other trees in the landscape. I usually get really excited when I get to prune a big beautiful oak. Unfortunately it's rarely a full crown clean. It's usually elevation and suckers on the way up. Maybe it's just the way the work is sold. Maximum dollar for minimal time spent working. Idk but comments like this make me feel like I need to be a better climber. I know how to use a lot of the tricks though rarely apply them so not as proficient as I'd like to be.
 
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@oceans @SoftBankHawks @Worthaug
Do you doods have any tricks for measuring out your desired working line/tail length and canopy anchoring your line, without having to pass your whole system/whole working length of line through a running bowline or other method of canopy cinch?
To clarify:
How can I create a canopy anchor with enough retrieval tail AND not TOO MUCH working line (to minimize rope management time)? I'm just wondering if there's a trick while you're setting it that could aid in tidying things.
Is it more ideal to have a separate retrieval rope?

This is installment #1 of a very long list of SRT/SRWP-related questions I am looking forward to annoying you all with :)
 
I really only canopy anchor after ascent to be honest. I really like a base tie. But if I do set a canopy anchor from the ground I usually pull 10 feet of rope over the TIP before tying a knot and installing the hardware (when I'm not expecting any redi's).

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
 
I think the reason I canopy tie so much is it forces me to isolate my throwline....if I set a base anchor, and canopy anchor after ascent, I might not descend on the same side as base leg side (which is now my retrieval side of my canopy anchor. I notice that if you don't descend "parallel" with the retr. leg, uninstalling the canopy anchor is very difficult (even more so if I've natural redirected once, twice etc). The friction is just too great.

Is there a anchorage option that makes it possible to retrieve a canopy anchor from the ground WITHOUT having to descend along the same route as your retrv. leg?

I hope I'm explaining this right. Am I sounding like a nutjob or nah?
 
wyatt spruck said:
@oceans @SoftBankHawks @Worthaug
Do you doods have any tricks for measuring out your desired working line/tail length and canopy anchoring your line, without having to pass your whole system/whole working length of line through a running bowline or other method of canopy cinch?
To clarify:
How can I create a canopy anchor with enough retrieval tail AND not TOO MUCH working line (to minimize rope management time)? I'm just wondering if there's a trick while you're setting it that could aid in tidying things.
Is it more ideal to have a separate retrieval rope?

This is installment #1 of a very long list of SRT/SRWP-related questions I am looking forward to annoying you all with :)
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Do you use a delta link? It makes a canopy anchor midline attachable..
 
Yes! The other midline method I enjoy is the pinto/AP butterfly + carabiner
Do these anchorage options make it possible to retrieve the anchor even if your working end and your retrv. leg are not "parallel" (don't know another word for this so I'm going with parallel - a word i have to constantly retype because I always screw up the L's)
 
Right. I was unclear what you meant by passing your system through a running bowline. That's why I had suggested the delta link. I probably misunderstood what you were referring to. So yes and no. The Pinto makes retrieving a lot easier when not 'parallel' or the line is through redirects etc. I can't think of anyway to avoid the retrieval being difficult if you don't follow your retrieval line down the tree. If you are going to take a lot of redirects I would suggest using a basal anchor. If you are only through one or so, then you can try a canopy anchor with a pinto to help with the friction. But, the fact remains that if you are anchored in the canopy and you are retrieving from the ground the less friction the easier it is to retrieve.
 
wyatt spruck said:
@oceans @SoftBankHawks @Worthaug
Do you doods have any tricks for measuring out your desired working line/tail length and canopy anchoring your line, without having to pass your whole system/whole working length of line through a running bowline or other method of canopy cinch?
To clarify:
How can I create a canopy anchor with enough retrieval tail AND not TOO MUCH working line (to minimize rope management time)? I'm just wondering if there's a trick while you're setting it that could aid in tidying things.
Is it more ideal to have a separate retrieval rope?

This is installment #1 of a very long list of SRT/SRWP-related questions I am looking forward to annoying you all with :)
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Yea, just cut your long rope in two, seems much more flexible like this.
There are soooooo many techniques, it's better to try 'em all a little, that way you can start to design your own that should be fitting for you, the trees and your work.
Right now I'm thinking about rigging 'inside' or 'outside', like DdRT tends to rig inside the tree structure and SRT to the outside, not always of course, nothing is ever always but this gives me enough of a distinction. Spar work can be tiresome if you choose to rig 'outside', that's why I always use anchor rings.
You've reminded me of something, I'm gonna start a new thread!
 
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