tree stuff, its been real....

I moved this thread to this forum because it is a little detached from the positive feel within the rest of the site. I mean, I see nothing but comraderie and support amongst our great community everywhere I turn and then run into this thread and it kills it. If you guys want continue to have discussions saturated with negativity then this forum is the only place I can see doing it.
 
Yea..... I got to be honest, if you really think that in some way or form that this site is not "social media" you are kidding yourself or trying to feel that this is better then something its not. This site was around prior to Facebook and twitter sure... but honestly it was just ahead of the curve. As for individuals calling out a company for having what they view as poor business practice in one area or another is "life" as well. If you as a business cant take people being honest about your service when it's not positive and full of sunshine then close your doors. As much as the customer wont always like the service or will have problems and will be forced to deal with it so will the company when they are called out on it. I get that Sherrill is a paying customer to this site but that does not make them a paying customer to those that make this site what it is and has always been. Sharing of information goes both good and bad and both have to be put out there without a restriction, unless you plan on curbing when people are way to "happy" about something as well? Maybe Sherrill should take the comments and actually give them some thought rather then seemingly ignoring them and jack some more prices up or have poor quality gear go out with no care to right the issue when presented with it.

The moment you silence a truth is the moment people will turn on you. Just be honest and allow people to speak, even when you don't agree. It's the only way to move forward.
 
Fairfield said:
Yea..... I got to be honest, if you really think that in some way or form that this site is not "social media" you are kidding yourself or trying to feel that this is better then something its not. This site was around prior to Facebook and twitter sure... but honestly it was just ahead of the curve. As for individuals calling out a company for having what they view as poor business practice in one area or another is "life" as well. If you as a business cant take people being honest about your service when it's not positive and full of sunshine then close your doors. As much as the customer wont always like the service or will have problems and will be forced to deal with it so will the company when they are called out on it. I get that Sherrill is a paying customer to this site but that does not make them a paying customer to those that make this site what it is and has always been. Sharing of information goes both good and bad and both have to be put out there without a restriction, unless you plan on curbing when people are way to "happy" about something as well? Maybe Sherrill should take the comments and actually give them some thought rather then seemingly ignoring them and jack some more prices up or have poor quality gear go out with no care to right the issue when presented with it.

The moment you silence a truth is the moment people will turn on you. Just be honest and allow people to speak, even when you don't agree. It's the only way to move forward.
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So well articulated!


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Mark Chisholm said:
I moved this thread to this forum because it is a little detached from the positive feel within the rest of the site. I mean, I see nothing but comraderie and support amongst our great community everywhere I turn and then run into this thread and it kills it. If you guys want continue to have discussions saturated with negativity then this forum is the only place I can see doing it.
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I'm glad to hear someone thinks this selfish mess is an eyesore. I'm sorry I posted in this thread. I'm also new here, and I have to wonder what the rest of the quieter members here think. It seems I've found a clique'. You either think like the clique' or you will be told off, with persistent and escalating reminders.
 
Anyone can start a Conversation with

Mark Chisholm
Greg Manning
Tom Dunlap

If you have anything to talk about...content, technical issues, etc

The 'rules' here are pretty lax. We do expect civility.

Would you have the same conversation here that you would face to face? Who would you NOT want to be around for the conversation?
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Anyone can start a Conversation with

Mark Chisholm
Greg Manning
Tom Dunlap

If you have anything to talk about...content, technical issues, etc

The 'rules' here are pretty lax. We do expect civility.

Would you have the same conversation here that you would face to face? Who would you NOT want to be around for the conversation?
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Actually yes I would personally speaking. Imagine a world that does not want accountability... if someone’s feelings are hurt when someone voices their displeasure(s) with a service why is it then the person that has payed for a services fault (or them being in the wrong) when voicing it. If these matters can not be spoken about here make the site private and by invite only and start over again. I’m sure it would be successful but less would be accomplished in the end. It may do some of us well to stop and think about how far our industry has come in the past 20 years in comparison to our counter part climbing industries. While they have just about halted and crippled themselves with evolution due to silencing workers through boards and over loading of regulations we have not. Forums like this is one of the reasons we have come so far in a VERY SHORT amount of time. I hope I am wrong but censoring of conversations meant to draw attention to an issue that has built up is a sign to an ending of a run we all benefited from for so long. When I say “all” that means workers in the field, manufacturers, and retailers alike.

If my opinion here on this is not enjoyed or agreed with then remove me from the site. It’s a great place to be part of but as far as I am concerned I have earned my right to speak in this industry and don’t for a moment think I should stay silent when something is not right.
 
Fairfield

I agree with you

Mark, Greg and I have rarely used a heavy hand in 17 years. Not our style or what was discussed in the early days

This thread has taken a very different course from where it started. If we had been sensitive to our sponsors feelings it would have been squashed, not censored...that's only done by government...earlier If the original issue hasn't been resolved by now give it a new life.

When I've been at Z133 meetings I hear from others who follow what's going on here. Some actively but most passive. The TreeBuzz.com discussions are taken seriously by these people. The collective voice of TreeBuzz.com discussions have validity. That validity can be lost if the threads spiral down into nothing more than a hog piling discord

As far as I remember none of our sponsors have ever had any influence on any discussion here. Strong arming ain't innit!
 
Fairfield said:
Actually yes I would personally speaking. Imagine a world that does not want accountability... if someone’s feelings are hurt when someone voices their displeasure(s) with a service why is it then the person that has payed for a services fault (or them being in the wrong) when voicing it. If these matters can not be spoken about here make the site private and by invite only and start over again. I’m sure it would be successful but less would be accomplished in the end. It may do some of us well to stop and think about how far our industry has come in the past 20 years in comparison to our counter part climbing industries. While they have just about halted and crippled themselves with evolution due to silencing workers through boards and over loading of regulations we have not. Forums like this is one of the reasons we have come so far in a VERY SHORT amount of time. I hope I am wrong but censoring of conversations meant to draw attention to an issue that has built up is a sign to an ending of a run we all benefited from for so long. When I say “all” that means workers in the field, manufacturers, and retailers alike.

If my opinion here on this is not enjoyed or agreed with then remove me from the site. It’s a great place to be part of but as far as I am concerned I have earned my right to speak in this industry and don’t for a moment think I should stay silent when something is not right.
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Speaking up and adding something to a conversation is not only alright it's hoped for. It's just when it turns into somewhat of a back and forth complaint session with no forward motion or when things turn less professional that I don't want to let linger. Sharing opinions is great and that's what this site is for. Let's just keep it constructive and respectful.
 
Another tidbit of info for those that don't visit the House, a member there that lives close to TreeStuff,recently posted that he went there for an instore purchase and was told by the counter guy, Phil, that the over the counter sales was being discontinued and he was being laid off. Wonder how Phil feels about the merger? Of course, referencing Steve's picture posted above, maybe being laid off is a life boat, and he is able to escape before the ship sinks.
 
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