Your least favourite tree to climb, and why.

Well, there's your problem, right there. Why would anyone at the top of an organization appoint someone to estimate the length of time and the amount of trouble involved in doing a job, when they have no experience whatever? It makes no sense to me.

I like the idea of a climber estimating the work that he and his crew will subsequently have to perform. "Moral Hazard", and all of that.
 
That does suck unless they're able to hit the number based on value. If all they do is try to hit the middle or the bottom then shame on the owner for allowing it to continue.
 
TimBr said:
Well, there's your problem, right there. Why would anyone at the top of an organization appoint someone to estimate the length of time and the amount of trouble involved in doing a job, when they have no experience whatever? It makes no sense to me.

I like the idea of a climber estimating the work that he and his crew will subsequently have to perform. "Moral Hazard", and all of that.
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This is what I was getting at in my earlier post. Although I am done doing estimates unless it is my own job. I work with others to keep my schedule busy, and those jobs are estimated by owner/climber.
 
TimBr said:
Well, there's your problem, right there. Why would anyone at the top of an organization appoint someone to estimate the length of time and the amount of trouble involved in doing a job, when they have no experience whatever? It makes no sense to me.

I like the idea of a climber estimating the work that he and his crew will subsequently have to perform. "Moral Hazard", and all of that.
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Could not agree more!
 
Ohhhhh where do I start? Thorny Pears-Honey Locust-Poplars in the Summer (smell like armpit sweat)-Red Oaks full of brown water(I haven't taken a sh*t that smells that bad.......well maybe I have)-and any tree with poison ivy on it- I say again.....POISON IVY IS POOP!
 
So, how do most climbers handle things when a tree has Poison Ivy all over it? Sorry for the derail; I guess I need to search for the Poison Ivy thread.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
So, how do most climbers handle things when a tree has Poison Ivy all over it? Sorry for the derail; I guess I need to search for the Poison Ivy thread.

Tim
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Pre apply some technu (a product that helps take plant oils off your skin and clothes), cover as much skin as I can, shoot saw dust away from me as beat I can, put things in the chipper and get the f away from the dust, shower after work with technu, and if possible, save the job for winter time so I'm not sweating like an NBA player while working
 
TimBr said:
So, how do most climbers handle things when a tree has Poison Ivy all over it? Sorry for the derail; I guess I need to search for the Poison Ivy thread.

Tim
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It seems to me the harder I try to avoid it, the worse I get it. In and out Baby! Get it done and get in the shower-ASAP! Even if it means taking a whore bath on the jobsite!
 
TimBr said:
So, how do most climbers handle things when a tree has Poison Ivy all over it?
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Man up! Git-R-Dun! Technu and wash/shower, but Mac and Andre are correct - you just suck it up and accept the fact that you're going to get it.

It is an allergy, and knowledgable doctors will tell you that you can build resistance to it. I'm living proof of that. I started getting poison ivy on a very regular basis when I was 7. Initially it was REALLY bad, but as the years passed, the reactions became less and less. For much of my 20's, I'd get it bad early in the season and require Prednisone, but then have much smaller reactions as the summer progressed. By my 30's, really didn't need the Prednisone anymore, and now in my 40's, I tell people that I "don't get it." If I spend a day working in it or climbing thru it, I can feel the tingle under the skin that evening, and 24-48 hours later I'll get 2 or 3 red bumps, usually on the arms or belly, but it never erupts. Still itches and tingles a little under the skin, but not much worse than a mosquito bite or 2.
 
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I've had great success cutting the base and pulling the whole vine off with a pole pruner. I've gotten some vines as long as 30' out whole. The trick is to pull it straight back. That doesn't always work and when it doesn't I chap up and throw a rain coat on and barrel thru it to the best of my ability. Once I get past the thick of it I'll take off all the poison protective equipment. Sometimes it's just impossible to not get it in your mouth and nostrils but I guess it comes with the territory. That Technu stuff does pretty good but in my experience the chaps and rain coat do best. I agree with jeff that the more I'm exposed to it in a season the less intense I seem to get it. What usually gets me isn't climbing thru it (unless the canopy is buried too) but rather having to chunk down the logs. That ichor. I hate that ichor.
 
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