Yale Blaze, Hyperclimb, Poison Ivy ; characteristics

Brocky said:
Looks like that might be specially made for Gap, guessing it is Yale’s xtc-24? Also saw the xtc comes in 11mm.
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It is made specifically for Gap, it’s a proprietary color like the Ivy lines are for Sherrill. Ray had told me it was supposed to be the original Ivy, just in a different color, so I’m guessing that’s still true.
 
dspacio said:
May be cool to have a Lo-viz line for climbing in parks and state lands.
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I get the stealth idea but the flip side is that for my woods climbing rope visibility is even more critical when I'm setting ropes in dense forest canopies. The camo and black lines are tough to see when you're trying to figure out what your rope is over.

Generally speaking if I'm climbing on public lands away from trails I can be wearing a flaming clown suit and no one will notice ;-) So sad!

I was in a tree in a wooded park once and I spotted a friend walking his dog on a nearby trail. I tried to get his attention, his dog saw me but he could not figure out where the voice was coming from and kept on going.

Yale Vantage is a nice looking pattern, I don't regret owning it.
-AJ
 
Hyperclimb is the only rope I have ever owned. My experience is that it flattens out when I use a top anchor with a butterfly/Quickie or when I ran it over the 1" construction rods in my warehouse.

It runs well on the Rope Runner Pro set around 3+. Also smooth with a Rope Wrench and Michuacan with 8 mm Ocean.

Today I finally milked the two ropes I have. Each is 200 feet. The purple had been climbed on a little. The orange none at all. The purple milked out about 45 inches past the core on the first pass. The orange was considerably less. So I probably should spend more time on the orange. I made three passes with each. Some photos of results just in case it means something to anyone. Will post when I climb on it again if I notice a difference, which I expect is likely. Already feels smoother. Maybe won't get my top anchor stuck due to friction again. :)

EDIT: Total milked from purple, which had been climbed on a few times, = 65" for 200'. Total for orange that had not been climbed on = 32". Not sure if climbing made all the difference or if the sheaths were tightened differently during production.

Hyperclimb Purple, 200' First Pass = ~45" past core.
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Hyperclimb Purple, 200' Second Pass = ~12" past core.
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Hyperclimb Purple, 200' Third Pass = ~5" past core.
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Hyperclimb Orange (virgin, never climbed), 200' First Pass = ~20" past core.
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Hyperclimb Orange (virgin, never climbed), 200' Second Pass = another 8" past core.
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Photo didn't come out, but on the third pass it added another 4" or so past the core.
 
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Acerxharlowii said:
Interesting, maybe I need to milk mine again, I did it once and totally freaked me out only milked about 6” off. It still ran well with the bulldog
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It might be done milking. Usually for new ropes it takes a while for the manufacturer to get everything tuned up right to get consistent good core/cover balance, even after the rope is out at the retailers. First rope I bought was 120' of Yale Poison Ivy, it wasn't quite officially released yet. as I recall I milked 3' off of it. Since I knew little about rope construction at the time totally freaked me out. Since then I've been barely able to milk anything off of any of Yale's Poison Ivy line of ropes. Tachyon I was always able to milk a foot or so of cover consistently. I figure Samson Ropes will have some growing pains with their line of Ivies. And Hyperclimb.
-AJ
 
I wonder if some of the strength is lost when the cover is milked on a double braid rope, it wouldn’t have as much stretch left to match the stretching of the core, maybe causing it to break quicker than if not milked?
 
Brocky said:
I wonder if some of the strength is lost when the cover is milked on a double braid rope, it wouldn’t have as much stretch left to match the stretching of the core, maybe causing it to break quicker than if not milked?
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Ideally the core and cover is balanced (equal stretch), If the cover stretches more than the core they're unbalanced and milking corrects the imbalance. But to your point, does the milking process load the cover and core equally? My guess is "equally enough".
-AJ
 
When the manufacture tests and states break strength, probably just taking off spool with no milking, so balanced as far as they are concerned. Milking may unbalance the cover and core.
 
Brocky said:
When the manufacture tests and states break strength, probably just taking off spool with no milking, so balanced as far as they are concerned. Milking may unbalance the cover and core.
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Would be great to hear from Yale, Samson or other rope manufacturer on this. Based on past experience, they never have core and cover braid tension/balance perfectly settled down well into initial release of a new rope. However the new line designs obviously break test well or they wouldn't be released. Since it appears that later on the same lines milk much less and continue to pass break tests (are they tested per batch?) the assumption is that the manufacturer is continuing to tune the core/cover balance and that tightening up the cover braid tension does not reduce strength. Likewise milking the line is correcting core/cover tension imbalance, I have trouble believing it would weaken the overall line. Again, would be great to hear from the manufacturers on this.
-AJ
 
Got 150' of Yale Focus coming down the pike... :bailando:
Thanks for the conversation. That P. Ivy I have been riding is so great, it makes sense to continue with that line as my main jam. I have a handful of other lengths for different trees and such, but this is to be the one I use most reliably so why mess with success.
 
Brocky said:
One nobody here that doesn’t care for the bumpy cover.
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The original Poison Ivy had a relatively loose/knobby cover. By the time Sherrill moved the "Ivy" brand of lines from Yale to Samson the Ivies had evolved to have a tighter/smoother cover as far as I could tell. I'm talking about fairly slight differences. I haven't had my hand on a Samson Ivy yet, will be interesting to see what it's like.

Brocky, you must love Scandere! The brief time that I climbed on it I really liked it.
-AJ
 
Jonny said:
If you can still get Poison Ivy, go for it.
HyperClimb is similar, it’s an excellent rope.
I also hated Drenaline.
I used Velocity for a while but DdRT, is it ok for SRT?
Reckon Blaze will be like Velocity. Too skinny for me these days, most 11mm ropes really make my hands ache.
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Everything well said just wanted to add that velocity is a great rope for both srt and ddrt.
 
moss said:
Would be great to hear from Yale, Samson or other rope manufacturer on this. Based on past experience, they never have core and cover braid tension/balance perfectly settled down well into initial release of a new rope. However the new line designs obviously break test well or they wouldn't be released. Since it appears that later on the same lines milk much less and continue to pass break tests (are they tested per batch?) the assumption is that the manufacturer is continuing to tune the core/cover balance and that tightening up the cover braid tension does not reduce strength. Likewise milking the line is correcting core/cover tension imbalance, I have trouble believing it would weaken the overall line. Again, would be great to hear from the manufacturers on this.
-AJ
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From field experience, I 100% agree. I’ve seen new, non-milked lines fail due to imbalance. The jacket takes too much load and breaks, leaving the core exposed. These events didn’t happen in abusive scenarios, either. The jacket will bunch up in the portawrap while the core keeps moving. The jacket section past the portawrap is stopped, stretching while the core continues to travel, leading to failure.

While I see the argument that in factory testing more jacket material means better numbers, I’m not sure how valid it is, since a baggier jacket means it’s not taking as much load as the core, creating an imbalanced load. Any potential, slight strength drop from milking excess cover is compensated for by the more balanced loading that comes from milking.
 
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