when riging off of Spar

Re: when rigging off of spar

I'm a 'fill in the blank' sorta guy. There are many solutions, choose the one that works the best.

Before seeing the MT or the other one I had always used my Rope Guide or another adjustable false crotch. My preference has been to use rope based FC's rather than webbing. Years ago I used FC's from New Tribe but they don't adjust.

What I meant was to make the transfer to a descending system, whichever you prefer, before cutting begins.

Some people think that they will be able to transfer to a descent system AFTER an injury. Not a good plan.
 
Re: when rigging off of spar

thanks! - just wanted to make sure if I wasn't getting something important or that my post wasn't clear :)

peace,

matthew
 
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I have been using a hybrid of both NATS and the monkey tail,...

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To clarify and give credit where credit is due--Odis (screen name NATS) invented the Monkey Tail.

Mark Chisholm long ago showed the SRT retrieval system (doubling the rope through the carabiner) that NATS just showed. Note Odis/NATS calls it an SRT system, not NATS.

I agree with all of Odis' points except:

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You can descend all the way to the ground if there is a emergency (if you have enough line to single rope down).

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I think one of the basic rules of tree work is that the climber should always have enough rope to reach the ground.

Also, I don't understand this:

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The SRT system is just another option. As with an adjustable friction saver you are limited by the size of the spar and you always have rope on tree friction.

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Why is an SRT system limited by the size of the spar, and where is the rope on tree friction?
 
If the question is, are we naming a climbing system, the answer is no. NATS is a screen name, not a system name. The person running the screen name’s birth certificate does not read NATS. As far as I know there is no name to the system I posted photos of. The system is a technique that has the characteristics of a SRT spar system. I did not know that someone else did a retrieval technique years ago that was similar, so I apologize if I offended any one. This was posted to help individuals build options into their climbing systems.

“I think one of the basic rules of tree work is that the climber should always have enough rope to reach the ground.” Mahk Adams

That is not in question. I am stating a fact.

“The SRT system is just another option. As with an adjustable friction saver you are limited by the size of the spar and you always have rope on tree friction.” Odis Sisk

I apologize there is a grammatical error on the second sentence. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I am not a English Major by trade.
The second sentence should say – “With an Adjustable friction saver you are limited by the size of the spar and you always have rope on tree friction”. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
 
Odis;

No worries here. I was clarifying flyingsquirrels comment about the two systems. I don't know if there is a name for that retrieval system.

And thanks for explaining the second sentence. I wasn't sure if I was missing something or if it was just a typo.
 
Nice to see you Mahk!

The SRT technique is simialr to what I use now and agree that it is a simple system that solves a safety flaw that used to exist. I have been using this type of system since the early '90s. The retrieval is a must!
 
the running bowline with a carabiner on the tail? Looking at that you would need three times the length of the spar in rope to be able to get down. Well the gri gri would go all the way down.

this can also be done with a hitch, as long as you have the tail going up and over the carabiner right? this would add enough friction to easily manage the hitch on descent. You would have a nice 3:1 to pull yourself and your big saw back up the spar.

this does seem very smooth
 
It's actually just twice the length of rope needed if you get in a situation. You just need to put a stopper knot in it. You usually just use it towards the lower part of a tree anyway (for me that is), so it hasn't been a problem as of yet.
 
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