What's the biggest chipper allowed in CA now?

Re: What\'s the biggest chipper allowed in CA now?

please do not put words in my month . i know it helps your point of view to do so . i did not say or suggest to do away with enviro regs all together . although you would like it to seem so. just that they serve more of a purpose then helping to control pollutants . ( putting money in the govs pockets . ) we do not need all these extras on our machines that just shorten the life of them and takes away MPG . the gas and diesel we use now is so clean and being formulated to burn even cleaner . when you burn a more pure and cleaner fuel you get cleaner exhaust . there are also additives you can purchase to add to your fuel that will increase MPG and make it burn even cleaner with less emmissions and increase the life of your engine . now thats a good solution !!!! i use this product it is called lucas upper cylinder lubricant and fuel saver . how about that and the gov didnt even make me buy it . i use older engines . i like them very much for many reasons but thats another post . i have a family just like you and i want my child to live and have a healthy enviro to live in and grow up and raise her family in . i just think there are better ways to stay clean without all the gov BS . that lucas product is great and it works . so since it was created and people need it there is a market for it . i think that is great . you know cali is like another country all in its own . they are way extreme over there . they dont even let nuclear plants build there and then wonder why they pay so much for electric . that whole place is a very liberal state no wonder they are strugging and all f*cked up over there . you aways take what i say out of context . by the way what countries and why do you think they do it better then us ? i would like to know . you know the saying you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink !!! or in your case a shetland pony !!!!!!!!
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You're right. They are the toughest in the world. I just wanted to poke you cause you are ranting.
 
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by the way what countries and why do you think they do it better then us ? i would like to know . you know the saying you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink !!! or in your case a shetland pony !!!!!!!!
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Every modern industrialized democracy in the world that has nationalized single payer health care.

They don't prey on the sick and lame like we do.

jomoco
 
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Jatg, just to clarify, I didn't say you wanted to but that plenty do. If you watched the video you would've heard what sort of reduction in air pollution the Cali regs have realized. If at the time of the invention of the internal combustion engine there was a greater understanding of the damage it could cause maybe there would've been controls developed at the time. Instead we have to work on the problems that have arisen. That's the price we pay.

On the nuclear industry front, in my youth that was the direction I was headed to until I did a tour of a CANDU facility. Having reviewed the radiation levels of the employees (yes, they had a printout of everyone that worked there) I changed my career choice. Do you have any idea of the problems with the waste? Not a great choice.

Here's a link to the list of countries that are doing it better...
http://epi.yale.edu/epi2012/rankings
 
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a friend of mine is a engineer for a nuclear plant . it is very clean energy . all the mistakes that have happened with nuclear plants have always been because of human error . not because of the plant itself . i am for clean energy and better alternatives if they are available and cost less or the same to maintain . if you really look and study some of the new green energy it really isnt so green . where do you depose of millions of batteries . plus all the chemicals used to manufacture these batteries . petroleum has stood the test of time and keeps being improved upon over time . that does not mean we should not study and find possible better ways to use different energy sources . i am for anything that will help us be better , cleaner , and cheaper . do you know when a volcano erupts it releases more pollutions then we do in 100 million years . this pollution stuff is now a tool to advance themselves . keep paying for that emissions sticker on your car that will make things cleaner and the state that much richer !!!!!!
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california whacked!!!!!!!!
 
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JaTG,

You're onto something when you bring up the cradle to grave part of what is the current darling of energy. When this concept is understood and applied there is a much different understanding of energy.

Using cradle to grave costs and applying them to the nuclear energy industry it is pretty accepted that it is NOT very clean or neutral. Sure, at the steam pipe it is...but...go back upstream. Look at the pollution and personal damage that is caused mining and refining uranium. Then...what happens to the floor sweepings when the spent power rods need to be stored?

If the subsidies were removed from present nuke power I think that the true costs would be seen. Then, all of a sudden, 'green' energy, even with the toxic waste that are dragged along, would look a bit more enticing.
 
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a friend of mine is a engineer for a nuclear plant . it is very clean energy . all the mistakes that have happened with nuclear plants have always been because of human error . not because of the plant itself .

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Really? I just love this idea that nuclear plants sprang up from the ground on their own, perfectly formed, at Three Mile Island and Chernoble, just the idiots who ran them had no idea.

Oh but wait, then there was that earthquake and tsunami that wiped out the cooling capacity of the Fukashima daiichi reactors in Japan, and the meltdown.

So what was the human error at Fukashima? That they built one?

Northwind
 
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I lived in cali for four years. Inland empire. I think my lungs are ztill scarred by the incredible thick smog that i breathes everyday. I remember playing basketball and feelin like my lungs were filled with holes. Yes, california is whack and i would never want to live there, at least until they figure out how to clean the air.
 
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with all things there are pros and cons . thats just how it is . in a perfect world there would be no pollutions . in this world we strive to be better people and do what is right for us and humanity . i think for the most part we do pretty good and keep trying to do better . what happened at fukashima was cause by a natural disaster .very unforunate .so does that mean we should no longer use them ?hell no . in what we do there is always inherent risk . even with cutting trees ....... TH where did you get that list the U.N. ?? HA
 
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Fukushima aint over, that is still a huge threat hanging over all our shoulders. I do not consider that a natural disaster. Perfect example of human stupidity at its best
 
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The list was produced by Yale and Columbia Universities...

As for energy sources and cradle to grave emissions here's an interesting article including links to the studies.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/...cradle-to-grave

You're right we are making progress with cleaner burning fuels and the like. However the reason behind much of the progress is the fact that regulations have been established and, more importantly, modified over time to set the bar as to what is considered safe and acceptable. Without these it is very unlikely that we would be at this point. Companies don't spend money on anything they don't have to. There has to be a bottom, mid or top line benefit or it just isn't done.

Imagine at the turn of the century electric cars were more popular than gas powered simply because they were easier to operate. No gear shifting, no hand cranking and no smelly exhaust.Most trips were local since roads beyond towns were pretty poor. Once Texas crude was found the price of gas dropped, then the electric starter was developed and more roads were built. These all sounded the death knell for the electric car. Primarily because of Henry Fords development of mass production. combustion engine cars were cheap unlike there electric counterparts that were still made for the most part by hand.

Interestingly, the electric car was reintroduced as a response to rising gas prices and air pollution.

In the end, it comes down to cost, even for the consumer. Imagine trying to pitch an eco-friendly approach to tree work sans gas sucking power tools and vehicles at a rate that was 3x that of the conventional way? How many sales do you think you'd make?
 
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i can agree with that TH . always good conversing with you . i always walk away with a bit more knowledge . thanks for that . climb safe .
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But think about it TH, which car has the fewest moving parts, is simpler and cheaper to produce in mass, and is far less expensive to maintain?

Did you see the documentary film Who Killed the Electric Car?

Not fantasy fiction like Ayn Rand's by any measure!

I like California, warts and all.

jomoco
 
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its not the electric car jomoc . gas vehicles prevailed for a reason . even today they have trouble selling them . they lack power and longivity compare to the gas motor .
 
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TH much of the changes came also because we knew we had to . i am from pittsburgh . lots of history here . this was a steel city . talk about smog . looking at old pics of my city and you will know why .
 
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As for the CARB laws in California, having a number of very dear friends in SoCal and having spend a moderate amount of time there speaking with small businessmen- here is the absolute truth about the matter. The average working man (self included) would rather die a few years premature after spending a lifetime engaged in profitable work and having had the ability to run reliable equipment to provide for and properly take care of his family. If you want to live in a bankrupt, socialist nation with the cleanest "damn" air on the planet be my guest- as for me I choose industry, work, smokestacks, and real employment. California's CARB laws are creating financial devastation at every turn. Why don't you ask many on the "mom and pop" produce haulers who were told their trucks were no longer legal in CA, if they wanted to keep hauling they would have to buy new trucks (could you afford all new equipment right now in today's world if it was required to "keep rolling"). A number of haulers commited suicide after coming to the conclusion they could no longer make it. Numerous small businesses have left CA to find hope and common sense elsewhere. Those that have stayed have shoulderd massive debt to purchase compliant equipment- and have been forced to idle and eventually sell (at a considerable loss) their good, often payed for equipment. Please, keep your clean air and let me feed my family and make a living. When were we (America) at our strongest- when our smokestacks were rolling and belching out the industrial success of the past century or now with our "Clean Air" and its army of regulators and government inspectors. The answer is obvious!
 
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right on wheel loader . i think we can have industrialism and conservation . i just think they take it to far . we dont need all the extra crap on our machines . by the way carbon is plant food you know . all these regs do is hurt businesses and hurt the state as a whole . it is a very liberal state . it is really not to surprising . it causes business to leave the country and do business in other countries .there manufacturing . less jobs here now . i believe people make it sound worst then it really is so they can brain wash you into paying for there new green energy . lots of money to be made there . yale and columbia very liberal unversities . not surprised for that stuff to come from there .
 
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As for the CARB laws in California, having a number of very dear friends in SoCal and having spend a moderate amount of time there speaking with small businessmen- here is the absolute truth about the matter. !

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A few friends here and a moderate amount of time here tea partying revealed the absolute truth about CARB to you?

Was there laying on of hands and speaking in tongues as well?

You been sippin that Texas tea again Jethro?

jomoco
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your wrong again jomoc ! by the way i am not associated with any tea party . i know you do not like the tea party . not sure why you always bring that to the table . no connection here at all .
 
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