What would you charge?

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we probably would have been cheaper then you say 1200 bucks. came in with our crane and been done in an hour and a half.

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christreez said:
we probably would have been cheaper then you say 1200 bucks. came in with our crane and been done in an hour and a half.

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Not that it couldn't be done, but from the pictures it looks like you would have to park a crane in the intersection or just around the corner from the intersection. Would there be permits for something like that, that could increase the cost of using a crane? I know here we have to contact the city if we need to shut down a lane of traffic, luckily I've never needed to find out if there was a cost associated with that.
 
Jehinten said:
Not that it couldn't be done, but from the pictures it looks like you would have to park a crane in the intersection or just around the corner from the intersection. Would there be permits for something like that, that could increase the cost of using a crane? I know here we have to contact the city if we need to shut down a lane of traffic, luckily I've never needed to find out if there was a cost associated with that.
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Two people said use a crane so I assume there is room for a crane... we have never had to pay for closures here, only had to get a permit once oddly we needed a county permit to do a county job... the county paid for the permit as it was a t&m contract, seemed odd to me but we were taking two lanes on a bridge and shoving people on the wrong side of the road so we had a company come in and set up barricades. As long as we are not on a state route I just take a lane and have never had a problem, if you look official you seem to not get asked to many questions!
It also looks like there is a pretty wide piece of grass outside that gate so if you get your truck up there you are golden.

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Steve Connally said:
I would not drop my price because I could do it with my crane.
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4 guys @ 400/hr you r at 600
We try to bill our crane at 75hr
Our cost for a load of logs on our job is 85 plus the man so call it 200
Disposal on a load of chips is 85 (we have a mulch yard) and a few bucks for drive time puts you right about 1200. We would probably not even be the cheapest bid here.... idk 1200 bucks by break don't sound too bad

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I'm $175 an hour for the crane. I get it all day long. It's worth it, my certification is worth it, my $11000 a year insurance is worth it. My skills are worth that as well as my time. If there is a company who wants to do crane work for $75 an hour have at it. Chances are I will do less work than you but in the end i'll make more money and my equipment will last longer because i'm not trying to blast through a ton of jobs just to keep up. Unless its a good customer or a friend the crane charge starts at $700 for a half day. Most jobs are at least half days. It just economically logical not to try to undercut everyone but to be comparable and let the business shine and build a client base that can sustain my model.
 
Steve Connally said:
I'm $175 an hour for the crane. I get it all day long. It's worth it, my certification is worth it, my $11000 a year insurance is worth it. My skills are worth that as well as my time. If there is a company who wants to do crane work for $75 an hour have at it. Chances are I will do less work than you but in the end i'll make more money and my equipment will last longer because i'm not trying to blast through a ton of jobs just to keep up. Unless its a good customer or a friend the crane charge starts at $700 for a half day. Most jobs are at least half days. It just economically logical not to try to undercut everyone but to be comparable and let the business shine and build a client base that can sustain my model.
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I think your business model is certainly the way to go.
 
I'm only a short way into it but i'm booked 3 weeks out. I haven't even scratched the surface of the industry here. I have only worked for and or scheduled with 4 companies and thats got me booked. If I can reach the rest of them i'll need a second rig on the road LOL. I couldn't be happier the way things are going. The hope is to sustain this pace through the rest of the slow season and hopefully late spring and summer will bring more good things as people learn the truck, what it can do, and how to bid jobs using it. Folks are booking full days on half days jobs but i'm not holding them to it as its a learning curve for all of us. I am taking measures to help them from booking me and not using me for the entire time. I also am learning. I have all half or 3/4 days this week because its all new territory and don't want to squeeze too much into the schedule. In short, yeah man, its working out so far.
 
christreez said:
4 guys @ 400/hr you r at 600
We try to bill our crane at 75hr
Our cost for a load of logs on our job is 85 plus the man so call it 200
Disposal on a load of chips is 85 (we have a mulch yard) and a few bucks for drive time puts you right about 1200. We would probably not even be the cheapest bid here.... idk 1200 bucks by break don't sound too bad

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It's also market based. $75 an hour is way under what everyone else charges around here. May be the norm in your area. $75 an hour is a 1 man labor rate so basically it would only pay for your operator without the crane.
 
for the market i'm in I bet a treemek could bill around 250 maybe 300. iirc the big stick crane rental (maybe 90ton?) here is 225, can't remember for sure though.
 
Charge more here you won't get any work there are litterly 300 Mexicans with pickups or 1 tons that work cheap. Then there are several big names in this area all with iron pounding out the work we are on par with the rest of the big guys.
75hr for just the crane isn't bad its only an 18 ton and you can get a 35 or 40 ton for 450 for 4 hrs and that includes an operator so we are not that far off. 100 for the man 75 for the crane so we actually r over industry averages here especially for a small truck.
With the tree mek you are eliminating the climber for the majority of the job so that's 100 an hour you could tack on. Just curious what was your final price tag on the truck? Our 18t was 120k with 1800 hrs on the engine and less the 500 on the pto. I'm pretty sure the boom about paid for itself the first year we had the truck.

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Wow thats low . 60t here is 225/275 with a minimum 4 hours on the contract. I have a 50mt kBoom with a Mecanil. Last company I worked for had a 17t. We averaged 2700/3200 a day depending with a 4 man crew.

Levi I have heard of markets like that. I think Glenn Gerasamek is in a market double what yours is. I'd love $300 an hour with my truck. Eventually I see the market driving my rates up but just a little each year. Have to evaluate that after each 12 month period. The killer income will be if our coastline even has a threat of a storm. I'll be so busy I won't be able to answer the phone. I've already had people approach me for pre storm booking. It's crazy.
 
southsoundtree said:
Loaders don't cost money, they make it. It's not like internet advertising that goes away.

You will make more money with a loader, in less time, save your body, have more energy for when you are home, and can expand services.

It's great debt!
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So, just to qualify that, I would generally agree, especially if the loader is new and operated by someone with experience. If the loader is used, or is misused, it can become a burden. I bought a used loader and it delayed my development. A broken loader does not lift wood, it takes up resources for repairs that must be provided by working without the loader, and it still needs a monthly payment. As a new operator, I occassionally misused it and had to replace broken hydraulic cylinder bolts, put tracks on more frequently, and learn where all the typical issues were at. I worked for it, for a year or more, before it started working for me. But, I still generally agree that bigger equipment is the way to go. I'm looking to buy a max capacity dump trailer soon, which is bigger than my current flatbed. Then, it's either crane or shop. No bucket! :)
 
christreez said:
4 guys @ 400/hr you r at 600
We try to bill our crane at 75hr
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Steve Connally said:
It's also market based. $75 an hour is way under what everyone else charges around here. May be the norm in your area. $75 an hour is a 1 man labor rate so basically it would only pay for your operator without the crane.
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Aren't you two saying about the same thing? I had the impression chris is saying $75 just for the crane...then you'd have labor of the operator on top of that? Steve is saying $175 per hour for the crane and includes the operator in that...right?

And I'm surprised it isn't a little more...that sounds like a good deal.
 
Yeah I was under the impression the crane/operator was $75. When somebody says they charge xxx for a crane it always includes the operator. Nobody around here just rents a crane. Always has an operator. If he is actually charging $175 an hour for an 18t crane he's killing it. You can get a 30t here for $125. Somehow we are talking in circles and i've gotten lost. The initial post read completely different to me.
 
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