what is your life worth ? $$$

i was sitting here today thinking about how i have been doing alot of my own side jobs, no insurance, no workers comp, no nothing and doing all kinda of tree work for 25 an hour. im just not thinking this is right anymore. and was gonna ask you professionals with years of experience, is $50 an hour too much to ask to put your life in danger? how much is my life worth? thats what i keep asking myself.
 
I don't know your particular market but i say get insurance and charge $100 + an hour for time in the tree.
I struggled for years undervaluing myself. Once you make the shift in your head and heart the rest of your world will reflect it.
 
haha jeff, im single atm.
but yeah im just trying to be honest and open wih he treecare community. i think we all know, i have learned lessons about dishonesty.
i dont wanna sell myself short anymore and make mistakes that have bit me in the butt, like i have in the past. its not soo much about the money for me, its just knowing what im worth and what my market can afford without putting me outta work. we pay our day laborers for landscaping 100 a day. if i do a tree thats say, 60 feet tall, 20+ DBH, 8 hour job and no cleanup, jus climb, chop and drop, buck and make a pile i dont know if $25 an hour is worth putting my life in danger. i mean after all, im not pushing a mower here.




jeff, ill call you tomorrow if you wanna chat a bit. id love to hear your input about this subject.
 
Danger pay should not be a factor. If it's dangerous then you should do it different.

The customer is the one in danger from your law suit if you get injured or damage property.

There is mower type work in our trade. Technical removals should be done properly. Charging more doesn't fix that.. I take that back. It does take the time = money panic off the menu.

I still can't fathom the expenses it takes to run legitimately. The hole seems bottomless.

Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. Sometimes, to to keep life interesting I go with just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong. So there is alot of room for differing approaches but talking about danger being worth more is a wrong approach. You can make it safe.
 
You life at this stage of the game is worth whatever value you put on it. Working cheaply is a good coarse for success while you build a reputation. Sitting and thinking of your worth is definitely a sign your intelligent. Going from $25. and hour to 50 would be quite and advance in a short period. Gradually climb that ladder but get those prices up there. In the mean time work more safely or take on safer to do jobs until you can afford insurance.
 
It's market dependent, but I feel as though $25 an hour is shooting yourself AND all the legit tradesman in the foot...in any market.

Best of luck to you, Maui.
 
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Get a GL policy bro. When I was contract climbing it was only like 1200 a year.

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Get yourself a GL policy for sure. The $100 a month it will average you over the year is a small price to pay for a million dollars worth of insurance. And the peace of mind that comes with it.

For my business, I charge $30/hr when I'm on the ground doing woodland management/smaller brush removal/stump treating work.

But when aloft I charge a minimum of $50/hr, and up to $70/hr depending on the situation(big removal that I can knock out fast I will bid a bit higher per/hr).

If you are a knowledgeable, safe, well equipped, and well trained arborist/forester and climber...you should never be charging anything less than $50/hr when you climb IMHO.
 
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It's market dependent, but I feel as though $25 an hour is shooting yourself AND all the legit tradesman in the foot...in any market.



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$25 per hour for a pro arborist is to low but may be to high a wage for a tree worker that does the work in such a way that they feel they are risking their life everyday.
 
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It's market dependent, but I feel as though $25 an hour is shooting yourself AND all the legit tradesman in the foot...in any market.



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$25 per hour for a pro arborist is to low but may be to high a wage for a tree worker that does the work in such a way that they feel they are risking their life everyday.

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All climbers risk their lives every day, no matter how safe you try to be or how good your equipment is. You're only as safe as the tree you tie into. As we all know, countless experts with years of experience have been injured or killed. Mistakes happen to humans. Ever notice how carabiner manufacturers provide the warning that "Climbing is a dangerous activity and cannot be made safe"?

I have no problem charging for risk. A wise and successful businessman once told me "You gotta bid 'em like you don't care if you get 'em." The trick is positioning yourself in the market so you can command that rate, whatever it is.
 
Josh, I too think the liability insurance is worth it. It was $1200 for me when I was out there. If you are productive, professional, the customers won't have a problem paying you more/hr.
 
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It's market dependent, but I feel as though $25 an hour is shooting yourself AND all the legit tradesman in the foot...in any market.


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I couldn't imagine only charging $25/hr in Kentucky, let alone on Maui.

More like kicking legitimate businesses in the balls.
 
Sounds low and I personally would'nt step off the ground for $25US, seems like peanuts to me....maybe that's why I work for myself...you have gotten good advice here get a GL policy and start upping your prices accordingly taking into account what type of climbing job you are taking on, removal, prune, cut and drop etc charging to suit the job....but for heaven's sake be fair and don't go the opposite direction and overcharge for your services...use your discretion....
 
What's your life worth? Maybe the wrong question. Priceless would be the answer.

No tree is worth it if you feel like you may die. Price those trees with the proper equipment needed + your normal hourly wage.

Working for yourself, not legit, 25.00 still seems way to low. See what other qualified trades are charging per hour. Every chance I get I ask plumbers/electricians/carpenters there rates. I my area most legit skilled trades don't work for less then 65.00hr. That's the low end. I would say 80.00 hr would be the average for guys with a legit biz, no helper and basic tools. No heavy equipment.
 
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i was sitting here today thinking about how i have been doing alot of my own side jobs, no insurance, no workers comp, no nothing and doing all kinda of tree work for 25 an hour. im just not thinking this is right anymore. and was gonna ask you professionals with years of experience, is $50 an hour too much to ask to put your life in danger? how much is my life worth? thats what i keep asking myself.

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I think you are looking at it wrong. You should charge your rate at x$ an hour because you can do it without putting your life in dsnger (due to your skills) or the homeowners property at risk.
 
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is $50 an hour too much to ask to put your life in danger? how much is my life worth? thats what i keep asking myself.

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Sounds like you shouldn't be doing this work if you keep asking yourself that.

If your not offering insurance protection to your customer, then you are probably worth $15 to $20 an hour.

If you think you should be compensated because you might die, then something is wrong there.

Stunt man Evel Knievel probably looked at things your way though and was compensated for frequent bodiliy injury and the risk of death practically every time. It was the way he did things though.
 
Wrong question, your life is priceless. I have passed up several trees that I could not see a safe way to remove. Learn how to do a job safely and don't take a job if you can't create a safe plan.

Knowing what to charge is easy. The study of economics teaches us to charge as much as the market will bear.

Translation: charge enough to stay busy.

How far out do you want to be booked? 1 week, 2 weeks, a month? I try to stay booked for two weeks. The market doesn't care how much it costs you to do a job. In a good way they are selfish and will compare you with the competition.

My customers want to feel comfortable that they are hiring a professional at a competitive price. You figure out your pricing by how much work you have. If you charge too much, no one will hire you. Undercut everyone, while maintaining quality, and you will go out of business fast.

Growing a business is a fun challenge. Make a plan for where you want to be a year or two from now. Grow slowly. Starting off the market will not pay you top dollar. You have to build you skills, image, and reputation.

Last bit of advice. Get paid for results, not effort. Don't focus on an hourly rate, focus on how much you can get done and how much that job is worth to the customer. Then, figure out how to do it faster. As you start charging more and can't keep up with all the work, buy better tools. That is the best way to get a raise, get more done in the same amount of time.

1. Charge enough to stay busy
2. Focus on results, not effort
3. Improve your skills, image, reputation

It should go without saying that you have to do this at a profit. If you can't, you should work for someone else while you work on number 2 and 3.
 
When I work on the side 100/hr minimum for me and light tools, always "down only" with occasional bucking firewood or mill logs. 50/hr for family. Mom n dad, grandparents are allways free with a homecooked meal. Minimal ornamental work with felco's is traded for craft beers :)

Oh yeah....go get insured. Its cheap!
 

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