Weaver Cougar bridge failure and fall today.

[ QUOTE ]
thanks Tom.

Does anyone know of a smaller company on the east coast that can compete with the big arborist supply store for saddle sales?

[/ QUOTE ]

Where are you from?
 
[ QUOTE ]


Just never thought about it... the bridge did look a "little old" when I finally figured I should replace.

[/ QUOTE ]

Una...please understand where I'm coming from here. It takes a LOT of courage to post a pic of your old bridge. I respect that a lot. There are soooooo many people who read TreeBuzz and learn from listening. Using your worn bridge as a teachable moment will show climbers how to learn and make good decisions.

How could you not understand that it was more than just a 'little old'????

When your knees are showing through your jeans are they only a 'little old' or 'just getting broken in'?

When your toes are peeking out from the toes of your shoes would you get out the Gorilla Glue and duct tape?

Having done gear checks for many years has shown me way too many pieces of gear that are wayyyyyyyyyyy beyond their life time. The most amazing thing is how climbers will get so protective of 'their Precious' just like Gollum! In the end...look how Gollum's attachment to The One Ring lead him to his death!

In some of the other bridge failure incidents there seems to be no externally visible signs of deterioration. In Una's case it sure looks plainly visible.

I'm all for 'getting the oink out of the pig' like Hormel, but at some time its the best option to retire a piece of worn PPE. The core of the lanyard probably has enough strength to use as a saw lanyard. Plus, it's loaded end to end not in the apex like in a saddle bridge.
 
Another good reason to climb on a saddle without a bridge. Try the Petzl Navajo. Not the cushiest saddle out there but certainly the lightest and it has a very uncluttered design. No bridge to fail.
 
Look for Shelter Tree in Attleboro, MA. Talk to Paulette or George. Super nice people.
 
Tom, I have to respectfully disagree with your implication that this is climber error and not the result of a poor product. The way these bridges have failed (going from showing no signs of abnormal wear to spontaneous and complete core and cover failure) should worry us greatly.

If a rope becomes unusable from normal wear and tear, it should happen slowly and give the climber warning. I want my bridge to be able to easily hold my weight even after it gets to the stage of unatool's retired bridge.

Here's an example:

The first time I replaced the bridge on my treemotion, I noticed that the core seemed to be flattening ever so slightly in the center. Since I was working long hours and unable to get to the local Vermeer/Sherrill store (open 9-5 M-F) I backed the bridge up with a second piece of climbing rope. Once I had this in place, I turned it into a game: how long can I climb on this messed-up bridge before it finally fails. Since the back up was a little looser, my weight was still on the failing TM bridge.

We took bets on how long until the bridge finally failed. After 3 weeks of daily climbing, I finally got bored and replaced it with the new one I'd bought. By this time there was a several inch long section where the core was completely gone, but it still held. Any climber not completely out to lunch would have had SO MUCH TIME to recognize that the bridge was unsafe before it failed. That's how I want my bridge to perform.

With these failures, all reports have said that the bridge showed no signs of being compromised before it completely and spontaneously failed in normal use. This to me is a very scary product that I would never use or feel ok with my friends using.

Of course, maybe these reports are wrong or there is more to the story that we're not getting. As for me, I trust the treemagineers because I know the amount of time and energy they spend designing their products. I'm not trying to sound like an advert here, but at these times I think we realize how important it is to buy from a company we trust, even if it's the more expensive product. That extra expense often translates to more time spent in R&D and more control over materials and the manufacturing process.
 
I'm not saying that it is solely climber error nor solely manufacturer error.

It might be 100% either, or, more likely, shared responsibility.

Over the years I've heard so many stories that shift responsibility to the gear when it is the climber's fault. Not saying that's the case here at all.

Without more info it would be unfair to blame the mfgr.
 
I think it's premature and also less important to decide who's to blame. What's a priority now is creating a consensus of how cougar saddle owners should proceed.

Time will tell whether these bridges can be considered defective (with all the legal culpability this implies), but I feel that I have enough information already to say I wouldn't use one, and I think it would be prudent for others to do the same at this juncture.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think it's premature and also less important to decide who's to blame. What's a priority now is creating a consensus of how cougar saddle owners should proceed.

Time will tell whether these bridges can be considered defective (with all the legal culpability this implies), but I feel that I have enough information already to say I wouldn't use one, and I think it would be prudent for others to do the same at this juncture.

[/ QUOTE ]

Very sensible post. Well said, Treewill.

SZ
 
[ QUOTE ]
Totally unacceptable!

How can a Manufacturer sell a harness with a life supporting fiber that hasn't been tested for that specific application.

I'm glad there were no serious injuries, beside the concussion.

Weaver needs to "STEP UP".

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree! Weaver needs to step up. But they aren't the one manufacturing the bridge. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the bridges outsourced? Maybe weaver is being misinformed just as much as we are? Who is making the bridge for weaver?

Lets fond the real culprit!
 
Unatool,

Is that just the cover that was worn through?

How was the structural amsteel core?


I changed my Glide II's Warp Speed bridge after 3 years and a hole worn in the cover. The amsteel looked like new after I cut the cover off.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I took some of the 5 mm tech cord and strung it around my butterfly. 5000 lbs breaking strength. This backs up the bridge and the possibility of the shackles loosening and doesn't inhibit bridge function.

[/ QUOTE ]

Kevin, that's agreat idea. But, keep in mind that 'tech cord' has a 100% technora core. This is the stuff that is "self abrasive".
Be safe my friend!
http://neropes.com/product.aspx?mid=AD5A655BCA5BFA2A6B340F8F4F462C5D&lid=3&pid=85
 
[ QUOTE ]
Unatool,

Is that just the cover that was worn through?

How was the structural amsteel core?


I changed my Glide II's Warp Speed bridge after 3 years and a hole worn in the cover. The amsteel looked like new after I cut the cover off.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sean - Yes, just the cover had worn. Core was good.

The photo I posted is of a old bridge - THEN put on a chainsaw for 4 years and hung from a bucket truck hook. So the wear is a little decieving. Kinda meant to shock.
-worked, too! :)

CLIMB SAFE - REPLACE GEAR OFTEN - HUG YOUR KIDS
 
Damn bridges.

I like my saddle, the support it gives and the comfortability with the batten seat. But damnit everytime I look I see the bridge I'm riding fail elsewhere and I'm getting sick of it.

Hope the tree man is ok.

I ride that same bridge everyday. Damn.
 
im still not going to buy weaver products ever again. god this is just like kong. YOU CANT BE IFFY WITH LIFE SUPPORT GEAR WEAVER!!!
9lame.gif
how else are we supposed to make the corporate A holes in charge to under stand that their products are responsible for keeping human life alive and healthy while on the job and shouldn't be allowed to be so oblivious to these failures!!! first it was the rings, then the bridges, what next the side D's? webbing? gearloops failing, dropping your new 201T? i demand a response from weaver for all of our sakes.
motz2.gif
 

New threads New posts

Back
Top Bottom