used a few ropes on this one

Thanks for posting Daniel. Been there done that almost exact same scenerio several times. And in all but one removal I wish I had doubled or tripled the price.
Getting paid for things going right plus getting paid for if things go bad. It is a double edge sword the HO is forced to pay because their lack of due diligence and allowing an environment that threatens the life of arbos, neighbours and property. Risky removal with variables no one but Dan can appreciate.
Emergency work is not day rate it is at a minimum double and then calculating the risk, hazard and potential for damage.
You wouldn't drive your vehicle with faulty brakes. and if you did and killed some body and through investigation found negligent was fined thousands of dollars plus sued and potentially thrown in jai.
If you guys would just think for a bit about it the 6 000 is more than reasonable.
 
Once the tree was stood up and supported by 4 ropes the climber was set. There was no movement of the trunk in the wind when other trees were gently swaying to and fro.

On his way up, he set up another two ropes making a total of 6 ropes supporting the tree.... At that point there was zero danger to the climber... No need to strap a tree with 6 lines in it that was nearly straight. He showed up after working his day job and walked 90 minutes later with $300.. He was happy. I would not have hesitated climbing this tree in 2010, and have climbed much more unstable trees in big wind...

He didn't even bother tying into the oak until he was ready to take out the top with the 4 lines in it... At that point a majority of the weight was out of the top of this tree. IMO he didn't need to tie into the oak. He could have used the support line that was in the beech for a life line. But it was his call. Most important thing for stability was the triangulation of the support lines...

As far as side loading the GRCS, I put the tension on that line myself, and just cranked it snug... When the climber wanted it tighter, I took the extra time to run it through the redirect pulley.. I just didn't get that in video... I have bent those fairleads before and know they are weak... Been meaning to reinforce them, but use the machine so rarely, haven't bothered welding it.

As usual there is no lack of controversy on this thread... Better than boring, man cuts branch, branch falls to ground!!!
 
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Maybe his primary sub climber since Daniel cant do this himself anymore simply had a enough work going on and weight out risk vrs reward. If I had that much $ on a job, and all I did was shoot some ropes in a tree I'd certainly kick down the climber 30% or greater. Anything else is just greedy.

While I think the rigging was pretty much spot on, the whole thing stinks (I'd never even consider setting up a GRCS in that manner, pulling on the fairleads like that)..

As for the fence.. Well it's just a fence, but why wait for it to get damaged before doing something about it? If it were really in the contract, why take it down after it was damaged? I will smash shit, but give the customer a choice. Basically saying that this job is X amount if we take efforts to protect this object, or we could so it cheaper at Y cost if that thing really isn't that important to you.

here is a google review (the most recent one) on Danny boys work. I am sure if someone feels they saved $4K they might feel differently.. I see and hear a lot of double speak coming from Danny, who says that this was a 10K tree? The company who didn't really want it? Or was it Danny telling the customer that this was a 10K tree if zero damage was needed, but if he could blast shit he'd do it for $6K and find some chump climber to pay $300 when making $5700 for tugging on some ropes (granted the plan was pretty clever, even if rigged wrong)
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Bob Smith
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Run away!!!
The 10% you save using Daniel is so not worth the damage to your property, aggravation, disruption to your life. Everything that Daniel says is either a lie or a half truth.For example:
This is a 2 day job. Yes it should be a 2 day job but for Daniel it will take 5 days.
I will be over shortly = 2 hours
I will be there tomorrow = I will be there when I get there
I have mats that I put down to protect your lawn. Yes he puts them down where the lawn meets the edge of the driveway, but not anywhere else so that you end up with holes in your lawn from the truck stabilizers.
Tell him not to go on the neighbors lawn-he does anyway.
I get permission from other neighbor, who is elderly and battling brain cancer, for Daniel to come onto my lawn from their driveway, he does his work (incomplete by the way) and then he leaves for the day,leaving the mats on their lawn. He does not show up the next day. Then 2days later shows up briefly, moves the mats to the driveway, exposing the grass he just killed and leaves-so my neighbor can't use their driveway!
And this is after he drove his skid steer into their garden and ripped up the railroad ties twith o pick up the branches in bulk instead of having his people drag them out.
Did I mention he ran over my stepping stones at the side of my house breaking several?

Lies. Deceit. Property Damage. Daniel."
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Looks like Bob Smith has only ever posted 4 reviews. Two of them appear to have been removed. The other review is also poor and is for a funeral parlor who followed up his parent's funeral with two post cards and a call. Bob has no pictures or anything else to indicate that he is a real human, and what type of human he is.

Meanwhile, Daniel has only three reviews, two of which are 5 stars.

You may like Daniel, or not like Daniel, or feel somewhere in between about him, but I'm smh man... That was harsh, and speculative.

Why we all flogging Daniel? It's us that turn out worse for it.
 
Jem4417 said:
1000-1500? What can he levitate the tree to the dump? He wasn’t dumping shit into the grcs and it wasn’t his only line on the tree. It was a tricky job and he went outside the box. Like he said it’s never used. And if it’s damaged he just made 6gs to buy another. Score
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Standing a tree up and guy lining it back certainly ain’t outside the box. You need to get out more often Jem.

There was also no need to levitate anything to the dumps, cause $6000 got these folks a $2500 tree on the ground, a busted fence, and a mess to clean up. Get some mutherfuckers.
 
Yea cranking a fallen tree 35 feet back to standing then supporting it with six ropes to make it safe for a climber is his daily routine. I think sherril tree just had a picture in their catalogue on how to do that this month
 
colb said:
Looks like Bob Smith has only ever posted 4 reviews. Two of them appear to have been removed. The other review is also poor and is for a funeral parlor who followed up his parent's funeral with two post cards and a call. Bob has no pictures or anything else to indicate that he is a real human, and what type of human he is.

Meanwhile, Daniel has only three reviews, two of which are 5 stars.

You may like Daniel, or not like Daniel, or feel somewhere in between about him, but I'm smh man... That was harsh, and speculative.

Why we all flogging Daniel? It's us that turn out worse for it.
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Yeah, its true.. I have a bad review for turning down a job. This one however looks like it might fit the shoe, but who am I really to judge. None of us were there except for Daniel.
As for the "bashing" I take issue with folks who have a superiority complex, that condensend, and are self appointed leaders/teachers. Not all his "lessons" are bad, but simply posting "A $10,000 tree for $6,000" shows he is looking for bragging rights. I am just holding him to the high standard he presents himself as upholding. He could do better, use better techniques, pay his climber better, not break fences, and own up to his mistakes.

I know my shit don't smell like roses. While I might share something I learn or develop I never advocate that it's the best way/only way and all who don't follow are knuckle dragging baffon loggers.
 
Integrity is important and can't be bullshitted.

Bidding 6K against a 10K bid that you know about is suspect (probably bid high because it was out of comfort zone).

Did the customer get 6K worth of work? If the climber made $300, I'd say the customer got taken, akin to insider trading.

Would you have bid 6k if you didn't know the other bid was 10k? Be honest, at least with yourself.
 
How about you all?


Would you have walked on this job?

Taken it at what price, knowing the other guy wanted 10 k and waiver for driveway damage...

Then not knowing whether the tree action could be stood up or not it's easy to 2nd guess a job want you seen it done on video a little more difficult when you're standing in the woods looking up at a treated you have no idea whether it's going left out of that ogre not
 
Daniel said:
How about you all?


Would you have walked on this job?

Taken it at what price, knowing the other guy wanted 10 k and waiver for driveway damage...

Then not knowing whether the tree action could be stood up or not it's easy to 2nd guess a job want you seen it done on video a little more difficult when you're standing in the woods looking up at a treated you have no idea whether it's going left out of that ogre not
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How long did it take for you to set the ropes and rigging before the climber headed up the tree?
 
I'll be happy to tell you but you tell me 1st looking at the pictures the before pictures before anything was set up there would you have taken the job and if so what would you have bid on it
 
owScott was 2,000 tops

I think colb was 2,000 as well...

That's getting somewhere, but everyone is saying what the tree was worth for what they saw in the video.. Would the prices still be the same if they had been walking around the woods looking at all the options and potential issues... And then after the client says he had a price for 10K. would that have altered your prices... The crane damage waiver was a big issue in my mind... If your tree company damages the neighbor's driveway he could be pissed at you for years to come, and end up having to pay thousands in repairs...
 
Dadio can do treework. He gets lucky sometimes too. But he sure loves and thinks highly of himself. Narcassist is the word that aptly describes him. I bet he has dozens of mirrors placed around his house that he uses to convince him of his greatness.
 
You act as if this was some never before seen scenario Daniel. Men have been wreaking compromised trees since the dawn of time buddy. The same basic procedure is used hundreds of times a year by treemen around the world. Ain’t no thing, really.

I personally would have been super happy with $2500-$3000 for a love em and run job like that. Me and 1 or 2 groundies in and out in half a day, and no smashed shit.
 
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Daniel said:
How about you all?


Would you have walked on this job?

Taken it at what price, knowing the other guy wanted 10 k and waiver for driveway damage.

Then not knowing whether the tree action could be stood up or not it's easy to 2nd guess a job want you seen it done on video a little more difficult when you're standing in the woods looking up at a treated you have no idea whether it's going left out of that ogre not
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I would have gotten a waiver on the house then felled the oak.. I would pay the HO $300 for the chance to do it.
 
Daniel said:
. And then after the client says he had a price for 10K. would that have altered your prices.....
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So what your telling us is that for some strange reason the HO told you what the high bid was before you made your bid? Once again my bullshit meter is red-lining!
 
Tom Dunlap said:
OK...enough of the sniping and second guessing. Only one person was there...and Daniel did what he thought best.

The bickering and shin kicking gets a bit old. Let's get back to treework and off the grade school playground.
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Tom you are right. But hard when Murph sets a bad tone. Why mention price. Who does that really. I do not care what folk make. Just show the tree and the work. It always seems bragging when he posts stuff. Never see others on her do it.
 
well first lets put on the table our biggest money making job. I’m sure there has been more profit made in a day by someone else here.
 
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