Urban Tree Falling

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By moving the hinge back to the middle of the tree you are getting more old heartwood...

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Yes, I agree. I have no disagreement with that principle. However, the point you bring up can vary on age of the tree and species, no?

This tree was a 35 year old (young) hybrid cottonwood. If it were a silver maple (or any other species prone to heart wood rot) you've got a valid point.

But once again, since I'm already aware of that point and was absolutely sure that the tree was sound inside, I still made the notch deeper than normal.
 
I also agree on that being fine with a young poplar. The reason I'm picking it apart is mainly cause it's the off season and I need to keep my self esteem up, at your expense. The more time I spend on here the less I spend logging reciepts for taxes. I'd rather be out there in the snow storm looking down from a tree top. Also that you started out saying that you thought it was good for showing to clients. It worked, you got paid, that's all that matters cause we work in a world of close calls. I don't think I'd be using that video for promotion. I'm sure you could do better. There is so many things wrong with that. Hitting the neighbors tree, not moving the truck, putting it on the road and the previously discussed hinge IMO. I'm sure there was no damage to the spruce or the road but I think if you didn't want critisism you should of kept that one for a home movie. Someday I'll get some videos on here and you can tear my work apart.
 
I would agree with keeping that one in the home video collection.I'm not saying i've never done it,i'm not in any way questioning your work.But I think it could possibly give potential customers the wrong idea.Nothing to do with the notch,but i think some people would be freaked out by dropping a tree like that across a street.IMO
 
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...The reason I'm picking it apart is mainly cause it's the off season and I need to keep my self esteem up, at your expense.

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LMAO! So that explains it.
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..but i think some people would be freaked out by dropping a tree like that across a street.IMO

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I agree. I used to think that as well. However, I have also learned that explaining the process of how we control traffic and take precautions for the landscape, customers are all for it.

First of all, I rarely fall a whole tree "urban style" anymore. I haven't fallen a whole tree in a residential street for about a year and a half. (You're watching old video).

With that said, I'm also concerned about how the general public "perceives" me. Once, I started doing crane work I noticed that I typically hand out at least one business card per job (often times I pass out multiple cards while doing a crane job and sometimes a bid for a removal).

I'm getting to my point (with agreement with how the public perceives a company). People simply are awestruck when they see a crane dismantling a tree. So, I paid attention to that and thought about it. I bet the neighbors see me falling a whole tree and simply think I'm just some guy putting a tree down in a street. In their perception, I don't have any formal training or experience. However, the crane on a job site ends the debate. I'm certain that the perception of a potential customer (in the general public) thinks more highly of a outfit using a crane verses falling a whole tree in the street. And this is (one of) my reasons for using a crane on removals now a days...

I may have mentioned the usage of videos for potential customers in a different thread... This isn't the only video they'd see. They would be able to see a variety of skill sets that I have taken the time and money to create. I don't sell falling trees in a street to make bread and butter.
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I'm pretty sure if someone watched the series of videos I offer, they'd conclude, "this guy knows what he's doing."

But, this little "fun" video wasn't solely made for customers. This was fun for my colleagues!
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This was made for my fellow tree guys who probablly do this often and don't have a problem with the practice.

But, thank you. May I have another?!
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BTW. For all of those who are following this drawn out thread. I don't make all of my notches like the one I did. (And it sucks that I feel the need to communicate that).

I make text book notches a vast majority of the time. There are times where I know and see the need to make variations. --As I did in this video. If my choices were not up to par for some, then that's okay. But, please understand this; if I make variations from a textbook notch, they are variations that have been passed down by professional literature or professional training. I didn't come up with my own falling techniques.

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Those techniques are for the bush not between houses. Big difference. This is starting to suck for me as well. If you were working on my crew this dicussion would of ended before it began.
 
I agree 100% Logging applications are way different than in a residential application. There are things that are the same but you have to be 100% sure that that tree won't hit the house etc. Which rules out certain techniques.
Back to the beginning it all depends on your skill and confidence in your abilities. I would feel comfortable doing some things that I would tell most people "don't even think of trying this" just for the simple reason that I've done the exact thing 1000's of times in the logwoods where you can experiment. Out there your cutting 100-200 trees a day where in residential work maybe that many in a few months at best and you can't really try something to see if it will work.
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I'm not that upset about the differences in techniques. If he wants to roll the dice hopefully he'll learn where he gets away with it. I've edited this so a minor issue doesn't become a major one. I'm sure Jamin has understood what I was getting at and will give it some thought.
 
I wish I could make a video. I have some technique inovations I'd like to share. I work waterfront properties with good scenery. Unlandscaped natural yards in the boreal forest with all native trees and a lot of them. No bucket so I climb some severely rotten toothpick trees at 250lbs with a high TIP. And I think the process of making the vid would be a lot of fun. I'm just five years into running my business. I spent my money on a hort/arb education instead of equipment so the camera could be a couple years.
 
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...Those techniques are for the bush not between houses...

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Between a house? That's a stretch... I fell the tree in to a retirement residential community street. I may have seen one car the whole time we were there.
 
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...If he wants to roll the dice...

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You're not getting it. You're not reading my previous posts.

You are viewing one video and stating that I do crappy tree falling all the time.

And you weren't even at my job site!
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Would you like to continue this?
 
good golly, you see, that's why I snap at people on the buzz if they give me crap, so they don't go on and on and on like Mr. Boring
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shut the helll up!
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Jamin, you shouldn't be so nice to stuff like that, they just go on and on and then others will try to chime in.

There was nothing wrong with what I saw. I put a thicker hinge on the side it might try to pull away from all the time.

brushed the conifer on the other side of the road (a doubt it was a spruce, I think was a white pine; lets argue that triffle little thing for two pages now), big freakin' deal.

Would I put it out there solely for customer viewing, probably not. Did Jamin ask that? I didn't think he did.

Jeeze, people love to try to pick at stuff. Especially if you are just starting something; like new at posting videos or a new member on a forum.

I was thinking after i put out a few good, "perfect" videos, I could put one out showing mistakes and stuff caught on film. Or mix in that stuff to add some drama and excitement to the films like Jerry B does. But I guess you have to become a tree climber God first, before things slightly less then perfect aren't picked apart.
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I couldn't believe how mad i got reading this going on and on and on
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Then i watched the video.... big deal. WTF?
 
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