Urban Tree Falling

[theXman]

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BTW. But, please understand this; if I make variations from a textbook notch, they are variations that have been passed down by professional literature or professional training. I didn't come up with my own falling techniques.

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I do.

I come up with my own stuff that makes sense, that I didn't read anywhere or get passed on to me.

I don't see the need, nor never have I to ONLY follow text book techniques or professional training techniques.

how about double direction notching, so the tree is falling one way at first to miss an object in the air such as a limb, then changes direction slightly by following the second notch to miss the final object? I've never read or heard about that and I've never posted it before either. But i came up with it around 2001 and it works. I've got a few tricks and methods that I solely came up with. The heck with textbook only methods.

 

[Kevin]

That sounds like a snipe to me and it's been around a long time.

 

[Roger_Barnett]

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The back cut should be closer to level with the apex of the face notch so it's easier to judge hinge thickness.

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Says who?

Nothing wrong with cutting level....but fallers typically go up a fair bit...it's called stump shot...primarily done to keep the butt from coming back across the stump, as can happen when falling uphill.

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Unless the viewing angle distorts it, it appears the hinge was compromised

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That hinge was fine....just a tad thin on one side. Maybe Jamin did that for a reason.

I see X and others nailed it...You're way too critical. That was a super easy felling job.....and it went well. I fell way bigger trees than that, in the street occasionally, and/or with the chipper nearby...or structures for that matter.

 

[Roger_Barnett]

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That sounds like a snipe to me and it's been around a long time.

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You mean an off axis snipe.....snipes can be in line with the intended felling direction....and are often used in big timber in conjunction with a block cut......

 

[Kevin]

Depends on your purpose.
For throwing a tree off to one side it would be off center.
What are you calling a block cut, the gap?

 

[boreality]

I think we need to talk about "double directional" falling now. Wow

 

[Kevin]

Go for it.

 

[boreality]

Alright. Another bush technique not for the urban enviroment. Actually I wouldn't even recommend that for the bush unless you can run really fast. Good thing you guys have cranes.

 

[tcsafety]

I think he's been snowed in at da nort too long...getting some cabin craziness.

 

[boreality]

That I agree with.
You know that Tree World forum. They have a policy where you can attack the subject but not the person. Seems like a mature policy. I know why don't I just go there? Because I'm trying to help, that's it (and avoid doing my taxes). What are some of you up to? Trying to bully me out of the playground?

 

[theXman]

I just want to make you feel bad and cause you to kill yourself...

 

[boreality]

Nice. That's it I'm doing my taxes.

 

[theXman]

 

[Bixler]

Jamin thanks for posting that one. I enjoyed It. Also, nice to see everyone's true colors coming out on the Buzz, not much has changed around here in a couple years eh?

Hey X, you fall off the wagon again, or forget to take your pills????? Come on now... good golly you are soooo silly!!! Hey when you get TIME, explain this double directional notching business, I'm always trying to learn from you older experienced fellas. Of course only when you get the time, and are in the mood, I don't need some anger-ball explanation. Thanks.

I'm sorry Boreality you didn't deserve all that.

 

[Daniel]

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The back cut should be closer to level with the apex of the face notch so it's easier to judge hinge thickness.

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Says who?

Nothing wrong with cutting level....but fallers typically go up a fair bit...it's called stump shot...primarily done to keep the butt from coming back across the stump, as can happen when falling uphill.

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Stump shot has its purposes , and is a life saver in certain situations... however don't just go off and use it cause that's the way the west coast fallers do it.. conditions and species.... a good faller knows when to use it, when not to, and when it doesn't matter.. a cut that works well on straight grained western conifers can get you in a lot of trouble falling eastern hardwoods....

Typically, unless you need stump shot, which is rare in suburban situations on level ground, 1/2"-1" above the back cut is optimal... in extreme cases its important to cut at level, to throw everything to the fallers advantage... Problem is that very few suburban arbs understand the pros and cons of stump shot..

Here's a situation where it didn't matter.. anyone know why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skDcq3-GAMg

 

[Daniel]

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Hey Jamin I got another one. I know. By moving the hinge back to the middle of the tree you are getting more old heartwood in the hinge and less spring wood. Because of the curve of the tree staying with the rule of 80% diameter you get signifigantly more strong fibers while appearing to be a smaller hinge. And... a better hinge.

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That is total garbage... you have a lot to learn, and no business preaching....

 

[Daniel]

the tapered hinge was in order IMO, if not for the side weight, just to give an added measure of protection to the chipper.. the deep notch was in order, if not for a stronger hinge, just to throw the hinge back further relative to the center of gravity.. its fine to trust your falling enough to leave a chipper in the DZ, which I do from to time, however, its just EASY to move a truck out of the dz.. As easy as saying "Hey ____________, would you move that chipper out of the DZ and block the street with it".... "Thanks"

 

[AxeTree]

glad to see guys confident in their felling skills, i dont know why some people want to start fights, you were there a and you know your ablities and i dont have to fix your chipper if your were to make a misjudgment as long as you make sure you protect your crew and the public the rest can be replaced and is written off as a learning experience, i think you did good and know what your doing

 

[Bixler]

Well said Axe Tree.

Daniel, the height of the stump shot didn't matter (within reason) because the tree in your video was one of those poorly hinging eastern hardwoods. The fibers in that tree just broke once it started to move. You also chose the direction of the felling cut to go along with the direction of the lean. With a nice wide open notch, plenty deep, the trunk had no other choice of where to go... tapered hinge or not! ... so IMSAHO that's why it didn't matter.
- Good thing you padded that beautiful driveway, haha didn't even look like ya touched it! Saving the cost of a crane eh???

Sure did look like they had the money.

Doesn't it always seem like the homeowner has their roof done first, then driveway, then a couple days later they want all the trees gone!!!

 

[Bixler]

...oh and of course it didn't matter because you plunged the guts right outta her too before coming through the back! Wow that hit pretty hard... she must have been a beauty! Nice lay Dan.