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I thought this one had been done civilly compared to some of the other threads. Excellent job Daniel on not cracking driveway. When you have a log loader the least times you have to move wood usually means less yard damage.
two tulips across driveway
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Daniel
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
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I thought this one had been done civilly compared to some of the other threads. Excellent job Daniel on not cracking driveway. When you have a log loader the least times you have to move wood usually means less yard damage.
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Exactly... if the trees ended up in the open lawn area, there would have been damage from the initial impact, and some additional scraping as the log loader sucked them in towards the driveway. And fewer cuts were made, meaning bigger logs were taken, as he was able to get right up on them..
I thought this one had been done civilly compared to some of the other threads. Excellent job Daniel on not cracking driveway. When you have a log loader the least times you have to move wood usually means less yard damage.
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Exactly... if the trees ended up in the open lawn area, there would have been damage from the initial impact, and some additional scraping as the log loader sucked them in towards the driveway. And fewer cuts were made, meaning bigger logs were taken, as he was able to get right up on them..
marlinspiker
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- Pennsyltucky
which is good when you don't wear chaps
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- Retired in Minneapolis
A couple of comments from a sidewalk observer...
Bridging material---
One time I stacked up a pile of limb wood to make a bridge pile. When the trunk hit the pile it snapped the smaller pieces and sent the ends flying through the air like shrapnel. There were gasps when the missile flew towards a groundie. After that I made sure that there were no small diameter pieces used for bridging.
The largest diameter pieces would be stacked or lined up on the stump side. Not always though...depends on the lay of the land. It looks like the far side of the drive is higher than the stump side. If so, that's where the bridge needs to be higher of course.
I could always borrow as many used truck tires as I needed from the tire shop. If I had a number of jobs where I needed the tires I used a hole saw to drill drain holes in the tires so that they didn't become mosquito breeding puddles at my shop. handling tires with water draining out of them is disgusting. Lay the tires on the ground, then layer up with plywood/tire/plywood is a nice shock absorber.
Hinge---
When I needed to dampen the 'slam dunk' of a heavy fall I'd use the hinge as a hinge. My preference would be an open face so that I can control it all of the way to the ground. Install a pullover line anchored to a bollard or GRCS winch. If I used a bollard I'd add my two speed handy billy/comealong. After the face is cut the stretch was taken out of the pullover line and the slack worked down and around the bollard. The back cut was started. At some time the feller would signal to the riggers to take up slack. Each little bit of gain would be worked out of the pullover line. The feller would stop cutting and let the pullers use the handybilly/winch to bend the hinge. Using the wood fibers to hold the tree dampened the slamdunk. At times we would be able to lower the trunk parallel to the ground by keeping a solid hinge. No impact.
This is all species and condition dependent of course. Ash, white oak and elm hinged best, maples and red oaks would hinge part way then break.
Bridging material---
One time I stacked up a pile of limb wood to make a bridge pile. When the trunk hit the pile it snapped the smaller pieces and sent the ends flying through the air like shrapnel. There were gasps when the missile flew towards a groundie. After that I made sure that there were no small diameter pieces used for bridging.
The largest diameter pieces would be stacked or lined up on the stump side. Not always though...depends on the lay of the land. It looks like the far side of the drive is higher than the stump side. If so, that's where the bridge needs to be higher of course.
I could always borrow as many used truck tires as I needed from the tire shop. If I had a number of jobs where I needed the tires I used a hole saw to drill drain holes in the tires so that they didn't become mosquito breeding puddles at my shop. handling tires with water draining out of them is disgusting. Lay the tires on the ground, then layer up with plywood/tire/plywood is a nice shock absorber.
Hinge---
When I needed to dampen the 'slam dunk' of a heavy fall I'd use the hinge as a hinge. My preference would be an open face so that I can control it all of the way to the ground. Install a pullover line anchored to a bollard or GRCS winch. If I used a bollard I'd add my two speed handy billy/comealong. After the face is cut the stretch was taken out of the pullover line and the slack worked down and around the bollard. The back cut was started. At some time the feller would signal to the riggers to take up slack. Each little bit of gain would be worked out of the pullover line. The feller would stop cutting and let the pullers use the handybilly/winch to bend the hinge. Using the wood fibers to hold the tree dampened the slamdunk. At times we would be able to lower the trunk parallel to the ground by keeping a solid hinge. No impact.
This is all species and condition dependent of course. Ash, white oak and elm hinged best, maples and red oaks would hinge part way then break.
- Location
- Knoxville TN
Love the tire plywood idea Tom.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Tires alone can work too. Take some of various diameters and tie them together using old rope A few layers of tires makes a nice cushion.
I've wondered about putting some partially inflated tubes inside the tires to give even more cushion. My concern would be that they might explode though.
Or...something like this???
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/286/087/388/388087286_922.jpg
I've wondered about putting some partially inflated tubes inside the tires to give even more cushion. My concern would be that they might explode though.
Or...something like this???
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/286/087/388/388087286_922.jpg
Daniel
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
Tires work well on smaller stuff... but it is questionable on really big wood... depends a lot on how stable the base is..
I prefer to make a bridge... plus moving tires to and from a job is a hassle compared to using what you have on hand..
I prefer to make a bridge... plus moving tires to and from a job is a hassle compared to using what you have on hand..
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- Longmont, CO
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Tires work well on smaller stuff... but it is questionable on really big wood... depends a lot on how stable the base is..
I prefer to make a bridge... plus moving tires to and from a job is a hassle compared to using what you have on hand..
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Tires work much better than one would expect. But, they require a lot of storage space to truck to a job and they cannont help with a broad shaped tree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg7v4obDBY4&feature=related
Here are 2 good examples of how I have used them in the past. I haven't had the need to use tires in years though.
46 second video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmADVZV-x...mp;feature=plcp
1 minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8P7jJP2...mp;feature=plcp
Tires work well on smaller stuff... but it is questionable on really big wood... depends a lot on how stable the base is..
I prefer to make a bridge... plus moving tires to and from a job is a hassle compared to using what you have on hand..
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Tires work much better than one would expect. But, they require a lot of storage space to truck to a job and they cannont help with a broad shaped tree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg7v4obDBY4&feature=related
Here are 2 good examples of how I have used them in the past. I haven't had the need to use tires in years though.
46 second video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmADVZV-x...mp;feature=plcp
1 minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8P7jJP2...mp;feature=plcp
Roger_Barnett
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- Seattle, in the PNWet
Tires work very well on good sized wood, Daniel. I've used as many as 50 to drop both large and long logs, and rounds from height, onto lawns, driveways, pavement patios. Once, I dropped two 400 and 700 board foot fir logs, one after the other, as they were in line, directly onto the length of a sidewalk. This was accomplished with a wood bridge which we built across the walk, laid on logs set lengthwise on either side of the walk, and tires underneath it all. Log truck loaded the first log, then we felled the second. Needless to say, that was a precision fell, with shrubs on either side of the appx 4 foot wide walk.
As Tom said, for repeated rounds being dropped, lashing the tires together works well as does layers of brush alternated with tires...and sometimes plywood on the bottom.
I may lack a skidster and bucket truck, but make do just fine..for 37 years now. Same goes for Tom...and many of us grizzled vets
As Tom said, for repeated rounds being dropped, lashing the tires together works well as does layers of brush alternated with tires...and sometimes plywood on the bottom.
I may lack a skidster and bucket truck, but make do just fine..for 37 years now. Same goes for Tom...and many of us grizzled vets
Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
The skid steer can move a mountain of brush on and off the driveway, quick and easy.. the kind of mess you'd dread if it had to be pulled apart by hand...
Roger_Barnett
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- Seattle, in the PNWet
Daniel, I know a skidster is a great tool.....but I'm don't have one. I'm just a small outfit with minimal equipment.
Regardless of what many think of you, you must be doing quite well, or you wouldn't have such a nice collection of machinery.
nice work dropping those trees!
I can also see the usefulness of your funky split backcut.
Regardless of what many think of you, you must be doing quite well, or you wouldn't have such a nice collection of machinery.
nice work dropping those trees!
I can also see the usefulness of your funky split backcut.
Daniel
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- Location
- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
Topography has a lot to do with the type of equipment suited best for the work.. your part of the world is a little rugged for a skid steer...
Before I got mine, I used to barter stump grinding with a guy who had a T-300.. He always owed me and I almost never called him, so it reasoned that I didn't really need one, or I'd be calling him more often... I bought the machine with the idea of using it primarily to move stump grindings, but as soon as it showed what it could do on the tree crew, there was no way I was letting it go.
I think The Care of Trees realized somewhere along the way that the biggest safety risk in this business is just wearing your back out from all the heavy lifting.. And ever since watching my 2 year old running around the playground, I've thought that fatigue is a major safety issue..
Minis are fine, BUT my skid steer and op can outwork any mini 5-10x depending on the job, while doing almost no turf damage. Also helps to have a chipper big enough to suck down a 15" top..
Before I got mine, I used to barter stump grinding with a guy who had a T-300.. He always owed me and I almost never called him, so it reasoned that I didn't really need one, or I'd be calling him more often... I bought the machine with the idea of using it primarily to move stump grindings, but as soon as it showed what it could do on the tree crew, there was no way I was letting it go.
I think The Care of Trees realized somewhere along the way that the biggest safety risk in this business is just wearing your back out from all the heavy lifting.. And ever since watching my 2 year old running around the playground, I've thought that fatigue is a major safety issue..
Minis are fine, BUT my skid steer and op can outwork any mini 5-10x depending on the job, while doing almost no turf damage. Also helps to have a chipper big enough to suck down a 15" top..
classictruckman
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- Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada
Oh really a fullsize skidsteer can out work a mini skidsteer? I would have never guessed that
and then there's ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RKIzvjOG...mp;feature=plcp
One thing I realized is that I'm not the toughest guy in the bar nor the biggest. There's always going to be someone bigger, badder, and bolder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RKIzvjOG...mp;feature=plcp
One thing I realized is that I'm not the toughest guy in the bar nor the biggest. There's always going to be someone bigger, badder, and bolder.
