Two Rope Climbing
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Matias
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You make a strong case there for user error vs blaming the manufacturer. While it should never have made it onto a saddle, one should always inspect their own gear thoroughly.
What the actual fuck. Been around for awhile. Heard Fuck Kong. But never the shower ring madness. That is insane. DMM or nothing for me. I have worn those green rings to silver. I abhor swivels and anything with moving parts on my bridge. I never get twisted ropes and shit. Cause I plan routes and move rope accordingly, and my body.
evo
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I’m pretty sure it was the same thing…
evo
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I guess I use two lines for the majority of my work but selectively. 90% of my climbs these days are with a long lanyard and srt. It’s so easy to set the long lanyard on my bridge and use it as a second climbing system. Of course when I do that I’m without a work positioning lanyard and on long limb walks I’m pretty aware if I’m around something strong enough to catch me if I cut my main line.
If I know I’m going back to the spot or need the extra length I’ll choke the lanyard and just use the raw hitch. It’s pretty smooth if you keep a good portion of your weight on the main line. No second wrench needed.
I’ve become so accustomed to it that’s how I’ll even go up a conifer removal but typically using both lines like alternating lanyards.
If I know I’m going back to the spot or need the extra length I’ll choke the lanyard and just use the raw hitch. It’s pretty smooth if you keep a good portion of your weight on the main line. No second wrench needed.
I’ve become so accustomed to it that’s how I’ll even go up a conifer removal but typically using both lines like alternating lanyards.
moss
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Mick Dempsey!
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I’m not doubting Treebing’s word, but that’s not proof.
Its just an account.
moss
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Information and my memory gets twisted. As someone mentioned "telephone game". I thought it was a failed Kong PPE ring. Thanks to @Tuebor, @treebing et al for documenting and clarifying the event.
I love those little rated Kong accessory biners so much, tough as nails, so useful. I'm out of the closet on that (always have been). Back to two-rope climbing? Ha.
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Two lines cannot possibly be beat for ghosting across trees. There are a bunch of lanyard tricks but, the right 2 line setup is clutch. I’ve had 2 line climbs on which I didn’t need a lanyard at all, and some where it was only needed to hold an off angle position while setting a redirect.
Fully aware that production is still important, it can be a good mental exercise to fly 2 lines right off the bat.
You can set one line and attach a second before pulling it up, creating an inverted ’Y’ configuration. You can also attach 2 separate lines to the throw line and create 2 independent base anchoed systems.
For ultimate freedom of movement, the Helicopter Belay is also the jam IMO. I had a RE Nano on each Bone, going into a Delta Link, going into a bridge swivel. The Delta had a rubber spacer to keep the Nano eyes apart. You could substitute the Delta for a RE Pirate, also with a rubber spacer.
The Camp Gyromania does look the business, but I do believe the Helicopter Belay as I described above ends up more compact as there are 0 crabs involved vs 3. That’s no criticism, both have their ups and downs.
As long as your gear makes you feel dead sexy. Get on my saddle!
As far as 2 bridges, I think that’s great for the redundancy factor, and also when transferring because you can load one system in direct tension before releasing the other. That’s a plus. These days it’s both bridges through the same swivel.
@Treetopflyer , sorry for being out of the loop. The Flu just ran through my house. It’s been rough.
@Muggs , your system definitely rocks!
Fully aware that production is still important, it can be a good mental exercise to fly 2 lines right off the bat.
You can set one line and attach a second before pulling it up, creating an inverted ’Y’ configuration. You can also attach 2 separate lines to the throw line and create 2 independent base anchoed systems.
For ultimate freedom of movement, the Helicopter Belay is also the jam IMO. I had a RE Nano on each Bone, going into a Delta Link, going into a bridge swivel. The Delta had a rubber spacer to keep the Nano eyes apart. You could substitute the Delta for a RE Pirate, also with a rubber spacer.
The Camp Gyromania does look the business, but I do believe the Helicopter Belay as I described above ends up more compact as there are 0 crabs involved vs 3. That’s no criticism, both have their ups and downs.
As long as your gear makes you feel dead sexy. Get on my saddle!
As far as 2 bridges, I think that’s great for the redundancy factor, and also when transferring because you can load one system in direct tension before releasing the other. That’s a plus. These days it’s both bridges through the same swivel.
@Treetopflyer , sorry for being out of the loop. The Flu just ran through my house. It’s been rough.
@Muggs , your system definitely rocks!
moss
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Ha! Helicopter Belay, so perfectly descriptive, thanks.
A big benefit of two bridges for me is advancing or real-time configuration changes. My primary bridge/swivel can end up in a slightly awkward position, say a tighter proximity to a limb or trunk, that it's much easier to access my second bridge with a simple PPE ring on it to attach to whatever anchoring system I want to use or reconfigure, and move on smoothly. Yeah, @Muggs.
-AJ
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I’m getting lost in lingo
What is the ‘helicopter anchor’. Please get a good picture. Spread out with a light color background
I’m not totally familiar with what the Euro two rope system requires. Does it require two independent anchor points? I think that I’ve read two rope systems that go through the same anchor point or branch Union. To me that’s not a DRT…double rope technique…in what cave/rock /ice climbing uses. No shared. Components
Please help me clear my foggy understanding
What is the ‘helicopter anchor’. Please get a good picture. Spread out with a light color background
I’m not totally familiar with what the Euro two rope system requires. Does it require two independent anchor points? I think that I’ve read two rope systems that go through the same anchor point or branch Union. To me that’s not a DRT…double rope technique…in what cave/rock /ice climbing uses. No shared. Components
Please help me clear my foggy understanding
Treetopflyer
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thanks for practicing social distancing and not coming on the buzz with the flu lmao
Treetopflyer
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I believe this is what oceans is referring to for the helicopter
That there is the one! Great post, TTF!
Being a bit out of sorts, and taking multiple days to compose my last post, @Muggs ’ system is as compact as the Helo B, yet the carabiners might tickle alignment of the two Bones, potentially affecting one handed double belay operation? I don’t know. Muggs will have to comment.
One thing I will say about the Helo is the Bones can sit directly beside each other (side by each? Haha). You can easily put your mitt around the two. That was definitely something I didn’t get with other systems.
One thing I will say about the Helo is the Bones can sit directly beside each other (side by each? Haha). You can easily put your mitt around the two. That was definitely something I didn’t get with other systems.
evo
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Can you define helicopter belay?
Muggs
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Double bone
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