Trump allowed a gun sale Obama wouldn't

hseII said:
Well,

Considering knives are attributed to more deaths each year than rifles & shotguns combined, I’m not sure I follow your insinuation that my information comes from Fox News.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls


Hands & feet are also more likely to kill you than Rifles & Shotguns combined.


Now,
As far as the Clintons, if they & Obama aren’t relevant, then please explain why they still campaign against the Sitting President: specifically when Obama went to Europe to discredit Trump’s Speeches last year.


“Hunkered Down In Ideology”?

Hmmm. I believe I base my Standing on the FBI’s Crime Statistics, not what some talking Head on a T.V. Spouts off: how About You?
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I will let my post here and yours speak to whom is more "hunkered down" bro. Not only are you are unwilling to acknowledge that guns are a very real part of our Gun Violence Epidemic, but you seem to be suggesting that 15,500 victims of gun violence in 2017 doesn't really classify as a problem?

By the By, screaming Clinton/Obama just never gets old!
 
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hseII said:
that’s just the preverbal “Foot in the Door” To Gun Control & Eventual Gun Confiscation.
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There it is! Thats all we needed to know. Clearly you are not the man to have a constructive discussion with concerning our nations gun violence troubles. Better watch out cause the boogie-man is coming to get ya'.
 
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rico said:
I will let my post here and yours speak to whom is more "hunkered down" bro. Not only are you are unwilling to acknowledge that guns are a very real part of our Gun Violence Epidemic, but you seem to be saying that 15,500 victims of gun violence in 2017 doesn't really classify as a problem?

Screaming Clinton/Obama just never gets old!
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2016 is the most up to date information we have.

15,070 is the total # of Homicides reported.

11,004 is the total # of Homicides reported where a firearm was involved.


That 11,004 number is broken down further into 5 categories.
1. Handgun- 7,105
2. Rifles- 374
3. Shotguns- 262
4. Other Firearms- 186
5. Firearms, type not stated- 3,077


What these numbers don’t specify is the details surrounding the Deaths.

There is a lot to be said there.


You are focusing on 11,004 deaths of 2016 While blindly ignoring the Over 64,000 drug overdose deaths of 2016.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

How about Planned Parenthood Deaths for the year 2016- 328,348
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/u...023ffc8/20170526_annualreport_p02_singles.pdf

As @oakwilt said, let the children speak.


This is Hypocrisy.

This is also why Conservatives do not take anything a Progressive Liberal States or Shares as being honest.







I didn’t Scream. The OP made Obama part of this topic when he named him in the Original Post.
 
JD3000 said:
Anyone have any rational thoughts on potential gun control measures?
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As for Tom's linked article, let me play devil's advocate:
1. Permit to purchase requirements:
- these will deter only those willing to be deterred. That is, there are sections of my town where I absolutely guarantee that when a dude wants a gun, he goes two blocks over to another dude's place and hands him 1/4 ounce and $200 cash for a stolen Glock. In fact, I'm certain that many of the people who we'd most like to keep guns away from are literally unaware of any permitting or background requirements. They just buy a gun with cash like it's a candy bar.

2. —Ban individuals convicted of any violent crime from gun purchase.
See above. Also, who determines what a violent crime is? If a couple of high school kids get into a scrap after a football game and get an assault or battery conviction are they banned for life from owning a gun? Seems heavy handed, but then that's what bureaucracy is.

3. Make all serious domestic violence offenders surrender firearms:
 Fine. Except now he'll just stab or strangle her to death. Much better.

Maybe this could get enough votes to pass. But it will not stop the ones who really want that "bitch" dead. Cuz now he's gonna blame her for getting all his guns taken away too. Also, now we are into forcible confiscation territory. And once we allow it for these guys who hit their wives why not allow it for guys who got into a scuffle at the bar or with the neighbor? The slippery slope is real.

And are we pretending these dudes are just gonna give up their guns? Or tell the truth about how many they have?

4. —Temporarily ban active alcohol abusers from firearms:

 I don't think you would get serious blowback on this one if push came to shove. Seems sensible enough. Except again we are talking about forcible confiscation and they simply are not going to give up all their guns even assuming all the guns were purchased legally and we have a record of them. Also there are literally millions upon millions of alcohol abusers who own guns who don't get DUIs on the regular.

I know it seems like I'm just being contrary. But I honestly don't think there are any laws regarding guns that we can pass that will stop the really bad guys from doing really bad things. They are criminals. They do not care about your permits, background checks, or (gasp) laws.

Seriously, this has always confused me: what makes you think someone willing to slaughter dozens of his own classmates gives one rip about the local gun possession ordinance? Like he's afraid of the gun possession rap but he's cool with taking the hit for 26 premeditated murder counts??
 
I got carried away there.

Anyway, I'm all for banning bump stocks and full auto conversion kits. I'm all for background checks and I wouldn't think the sky was falling if I had to get a permit to purchase.

I'm also all for the return of orphanages as opposed to foster care. Give kids structure, discipline and enforce expectations. I'd like to see big brothers big sisters expanded.
 
Bucknut said:
I got carried away there.

Anyway, I'm all for banning bump stocks and full auto conversion kits. I'm all for background checks and I wouldn't think the sky was falling if I had to get a permit to purchase.

I'm also all for the return of orphanages as opposed to foster care. Give kids structure, discipline and enforce expectations. I'd like to see big brothers big sisters expanded.
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Some common sense, common ground! Now were getting somewhere.
 
hseII said:
This is also why Conservatives do not take anything a Progressive Liberal States or Shares as being honest.
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Nothing like coming to the table with an open mind buddy. Like I said, your probably not the right guy to help find a way forward with.
 
Bucknut said:
As for Tom's linked article, let me play devil's advocate:
1. Permit to purchase requirements:
- these will deter only those willing to be deterred. That is, there are sections of my town where I absolutely guarantee that when a dude wants a gun, he goes two blocks over to another dude's place and hands him 1/4 ounce and $200 cash for a stolen Glock. In fact, I'm certain that many of the people who we'd most like to keep guns away from are literally unaware of any permitting or background requirements. They just buy a gun with cash like it's a candy bar.

2. —Ban individuals convicted of any violent crime from gun purchase.
See above. Also, who determines what a violent crime is? If a couple of high school kids get into a scrap after a football game and get an assault or battery conviction are they banned for life from owning a gun? Seems heavy handed, but then that's what bureaucracy is.

3. Make all serious domestic violence offenders surrender firearms:
 Fine. Except now he'll just stab or strangle her to death. Much better.

Maybe this could get enough votes to pass. But it will not stop the ones who really want that "bitch" dead. Cuz now he's gonna blame her for getting all his guns taken away too. Also, now we are into forcible confiscation territory. And once we allow it for these guys who hit their wives why not allow it for guys who got into a scuffle at the bar or with the neighbor? The slippery slope is real.

And are we pretending these dudes are just gonna give up their guns? Or tell the truth about how many they have?

4. —Temporarily ban active alcohol abusers from firearms:

 I don't think you would get serious blowback on this one if push came to shove. Seems sensible enough. Except again we are talking about forcible confiscation and they simply are not going to give up all their guns even assuming all the guns were purchased legally and we have a record of them. Also there are literally millions upon millions of alcohol abusers who own guns who don't get DUIs on the regular.

I know it seems like I'm just being contrary. But I honestly don't think there are any laws regarding guns that we can pass that will stop the really bad guys from doing really bad things. They are criminals. They do not care about your permits, background checks, or (gasp) laws.

Seriously, this has always confused me: what makes you think someone willing to slaughter dozens of his own classmates gives one rip about the local gun possession ordinance? Like he's afraid of the gun possession rap but he's cool with taking the hit for 26 premeditated murder counts??
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There is so much truth & logic to this post.

Yes,
It is long, & mine are too, but there are a lot of true statements in that post.

Self-responsibility must be included in this discussion.

It’s no longer the norm for the Consequences of a bad deed to be feared.
This is a Biggie.
 
Levi.CO said:
Ha. Any idea how many dollars are spent in conservative vs liberal think tanks? They do the thinking so you don't have to!:risas2: Nothing short of full blown brainwashing. By the way, Roger Ailes thinks we're all retarded.... are we?
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These days,
Spent sometimes = Laundered.

I think folks don’t want to admit the truths that we as humans are evil & selfish by nature.
 
I have. Idiot acquaintance (not a friend) of mine in college was drunk and woke me up by poking my temple with a Glock. Pretty funny joke huh?

Guess what? He didn't buy it at a gun store.
 
rico said:
There it is! Thats all we needed to know. Clearly you are not the man to have a constructive discussion with concerning our nations gun violence troubles. Better watch out cause the boogie-man is coming to get ya'.
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Ah No.

Question-
What do Early 20th Century Russia, Early 20th Century China, & Early 20th Germany have in common in regards to the laws that were enacted prior to the awful things that took place in each country?

Answer-
Private Firearm Confiscation

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Do some research on it.
 
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Levi.CO said:
Well, people keep getting killed by guns, so...

I hate cars too, by the way. :sisi: My point, maybe some people ain't responsible enough to have em? Maybe A LOT of people?
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Since we don’t yet have enough information to honestly compare all things 2017,

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02/15/traffic-deadliest-year

An estimated 40,000 automobile deaths in 2016.

A quick recap of the leading causes of death for the year 2016-

328,348- Abortions by planned Parenthood
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/u...023ffc8/20170526_annualreport_p02_singles.pdf

64,000- Drug Overdose Deaths That Are tracked.

40,000 estimated automobile deaths in 2016.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02/15/traffic-deadliest-year


11,004 Firearm Related Homicides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls



According to Medical News today article from 2017,
Firearms don’t even break the top 10 leading causes of death, except for a brief mention in # 10. Suicide.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/282929

Why does the Gun issue garner more attention that all these, at least by the Political forces on both sides?


Why are Medical Cancer Drugs so expensive, & Cancer itself a $2T industry?
 
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