Tree removal help

Hi again Mr. Greene,
I was just wondering if that is actually a truck owned and registered to you on your website, with the palm trees in the background, and what appears to be a different phone number on it. Just curious, is all, cause it is kind of a neat looking truck, and it looks like it would be ideal for doing sign work and lighting jobs in addition to some tree work., as long as the trees aren't more than 81 feet high.
 
You are using a WINCH line to rig with... Good luck in hell bro, it doesnt matter if it has a 100k lb working load... dynamic force + non dynamic rope = failure

Idiot...
 
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Sure I butt hitch, but 2 - 3" and 10 - 15' long pieces a couple hundred pounds max. What you discribed I would not consider a butt hitch. I have worked in the industry for 15 years (this week) and never seen this done or heard of a name for it. One of my main concerns with your technique is a larger rope may not be the answer... When rigging you ALWAYS want the rope to be the weak link. If the blocks/pulley or rigging device is weaker you have a projectile. Even worse is if the tree is the weak link, Im sure you can visualize what can happen. You may not believe it but we are trying to help and are concerned for your safety.
Im glad the tree came down without any incident. And good luck in your future endevores.

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MR Green, I repeat myself from page 4. Bigger rope is not the answer. 18k working is nuts. A great resourse for rigging techniques is the Art and Science of Practical rigging. This will show you how to set up rigging for taking trees down and what equipment is needed. I wish I had a copy I could send you. Working without a ground crew, you may want to look into O.L.D.S, (overhead lowering device system). It may help out a little. (I would post a link the the threads on here but I cant get he search to work on this site)
 
One more day til April Fool's day. These questions have been perfectly wrong and the don't give me your crap responces have been perfectly buzzerly. Like you know too much. If you are what you are, your going to fit in perfect here. Keep it coming we'll have you all trained up before summer.
 
The best advice you got to your simple question came almost immediately...GET PROFESSIONAL TRAINING IN PERSON AT A CLASS OR MANY CLASSES!

S.T.A.R.R.S.
N.A.T.S.
I.S.A.

One thing that you have to understand is that all companies' insurances go up as a result of claims. Claims often come from people biting off more than they can chew. People with no claims for years can have their rates go up because the insurance company has to pay out someone else's claim.


The simple answer to how do you snub off a butt hitched 40' piece at 40' from a 40'bucket --- YOU DON'T!

You remove the limb safely, using training, proper equipment, and techniques. As stated, climb higher or bigger bucket, rig smaller, decelerate the piece.


Read all the Articles on in the link on the Treebuzz main page, as a start.

Ask how seasoned professionals would go about a job, instead of asking how to do a job the wrong way that you figure is your only option.

What would you think if I asked how to fix the brakes on a school bus parked on a steep slope with a crescent wrench, some pliers, and a car. jack. You don't do it.

Stay safe. Everyone starts somewhere. Listening to experienced professionals is a great place.
 
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lack of knowledge does not make you a moron. It's your ability to learn that counts. I can honestly say I'm trying to learn. What are you doing?

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....and in some really bad situations. Most falling on cables with amazing amounts of pressure and unpredictable consequences.

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I've read many tree guys say this over the years. you should NOT be doing anything that is unpredictable. You should be educated enough to be able to see what is going to happen or else don't do it.
 
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Ban that fool... if not I hope the victim sues Treebuzz when he kills himself or somebody else.

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...and YOU are one to be saying this?
 
I think Mr. Greene is like Christopher Columbus, boldly sailing forth to discover new lands and pillage them. The guys here that know that the earth is round are trying to discourage him. I think I know where you are coming from, Mr. Greene, and just because it is a different planet doesn't mean we can't get along. They said Evil Knievel wouldn't be able to do half the stuff he did, and he only broke a couple of bones and got some minor lacerations.

I think you should consider using a extension ladder in your bucket. It could gain you an extra 15-20 feet of height. Perhaps this could even result in an interesting question for your next thread here.
 
nick: as always please just don't even speak. your a void

flying squirrel: over head lowering device. Thats anouther new one to me will research that for sure.

boreality: your a pretty good guy but, even if my questions where crap... I still need answers and not one like I have no business in a tree. Not that you have said that but serious. I'm not just going to drop what im doing and give up so i need REAL advice and at this point I actually can give credit to this forum, I have gotten alot. Took a pissing match to get it but have gotten alot of knowledge.

southsoundtree: lately, if im not cutting a tree, I'm studying how to do it better. As I stated I'm starting to realize alot of things but your comment. While not wrong. Is kinda that same high horse crap. Not everyone that does this line of work is isa certified. I'm sure those that are, amoungst the best no dought. Can you honestly say that no one that Isn't certified isn't qualified? You would know better then me but I find that hard to belive... I'd love to just drop what I'm doing and do just what you said. But I cannot. I'ts that simple. As for the 80' tree butt hitched at 40. now that I have some insanely strong rope. 18k working not breaking. Could use a strait answer on that. Seriously. Could I really shock this rope into breaking sure don't seem like it.

The Xman: your kinda my hero here, might as well get that out there. not that I would know how to judge who is the best but, I'd put a 100 spot on saying your damn good. The unpredictable... I was always out of harms way. Couldn't say I knew where the loaded chunk was gonna end up but, I't definatly wasn't going to get me or any people. A dog maybe lol. Would have hated that. I've seen chunks fly 200' in the air no joke. I can do good at this, of that I'm confident. I have a good understanding of cause and effect. Howerver my ablity to learn won't save me from what I simply dont know. I realize that.

pelorus: I dunno what to make of your comment. really don't.
am I Christopher Columbus? Well in some ways maybe. I do think outside of the box. In linework there was always a thing or two you could do that wasn't standard practice that turned out to actually be better and safer. I see with trees It's even more so. New ideas coming up all the time. Most have said dropping a 40' top from a 40' boom was a bad idea. I've seen it go bad and I've seen it go flawless in short order. When you say add an extention? wtf? I know your not serious. least I hope not. Oh and peloris no that is just anouther "pilfered" image in regards to my truck but, it is an identical unit. same make model body style everything. I will update my photo's soon I promise!
 
Disclaimer: ladder-in-bucket is not intended as advice. When I had my old bucket I often ended up climbing out of it to get to where I needed to go. Even just standing on the top lip would sometimes do the trick.

I was just kidding with previous post, Joe. (Not the other planet stuff though; I'm serious about that)
 
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now that I have some insanely strong rope. 18k working not breaking. Could use a strait answer on that. Seriously. Could I really shock this rope into breaking sure don't seem like it.

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YES! the more you shock load that rope, the sooner it will break, especially if you keep loading the same section of the rope. Every time you do it you weaken the fibers in that section of the rope more and more and eventually it will fail. This isn't the first time I have said this in this thread. Every time a rope is loaded, it loses a bit of its strength. Much more loss if it is continually shock loaded!
 
Wow this thread and its owner are really uninspiring, your attitude towards pro tree people sucks big time. You are an amateur who rips off other peoples images for your website. You don't belong here.
 
jeffsweede: sorry man no clue what that meant

treeswinger: as i stated its off the winch of a derrik digger. not sure what that is, just google derrik digger.

peloris: I've stepped out many a times myself. Glad to know you where kidding. I did know that btw.

ginko: a rope of this magnitude would hold up for a while no? Serious question. what if a changed it out at regular intervals? Perhaps at any sign of fatigue? On the derrik digger we have a rule that if any two of tree strands in the braid are broke... replace the entire line. Would like to have your feedback on what you think...

nick: agian plz stop talking

bendraper: plz dont be anouther nick. I openly admited that those photos where not my own. If you read my previous thread. Or heck even this one, you might gain more insight on , my respect towards pro tree people? I thinkwhy I chose to use them. Some folks here are starting to get it and lighten up on me. Serious please dont be a nick. lmao it rhymes. Btw, if I didnt make myself clear enough you mean arborist? Heck even with my need for learning. I know better then to call someone like the Xman a pro tree people or, even person. Hope my learning on the web serves me better then it has you. sincerely. Lastly I have a ton of respect for what these guys do every day! I've done some prety kewl stuff myself, been fearless many a time. shaking in my boots all the while. Don't say I have no respect. Not sure about you and what you know but I can tell you this much Don't ever say I dont have respect for these guys.
 
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