"Tree Experts" and "Tree Preservation" companies; misnamed and misleading.

so if you inject the ashes, how are you going to find the resistant ones? There are quite a few impressive untreated ashes around the city of detroit which was hit by the EAB in 2003. 13 years later they are still kicking along while 90% of their neighboring ashes are gone my assumption is they were just missed somehow. they got lucky. But they definitely were not treated.
 
so if you inject the ashes, how are you going to find the resistant ones? There are quite a few impressive untreated ashes around the city of detroit which was hit by the EAB in 2003. 13 years later they are still kicking along while 90% of their neighboring ashes are gone my assumption is they were just missed somehow. they got lucky. But they definitely were not treated.

EAB resistant trees, if they can even develop, will most likely happen in the forest. It takes millions upon millions of genetic variances along with time to make any significant change.

In all areas where the urban forest canopy has been significantly degrade by EAB so has public health. Efforts that would maintain a mature canopy for say 10 to 15 years while a new one was getting establish would not be a waste of resources. Treatment is systemic and is not annual. Sometimes there are no good answers but everything we do has consequences.
 
EAB resistant trees, if they can even develop, will most likely happen in the forest. It takes millions upon millions of genetic variances along with time to make any significant change.

In all areas where the urban forest canopy has been significantly degrade by EAB so has public health. Efforts that would maintain a mature canopy for say 10 to 15 years while a new one was getting establish would not be a waste of resources. Treatment is systemic and is not annual. Sometimes there are no good answers but everything we do has consequences.
interesting topic, There is strong correlation between the Dutch Elm Disease wiping out the elms in Detroit and the 67 riots and white flight. Neighborhoods changing over night, elm tunneled streets turning to barren hot wastelands. There is also a possible correlation between detroit losing almost 300,000 people since 2002 when the ash borer came to town. One of the glaring problems is that the Elms were all replaced with Ashes. not a lot of creativity went in to the Urban canopy. I don't think treating all those ashes or elms would have made a difference in the long run, when the problem started at planting. One of the reasons the EAB took off was they got off the boat to a monoculture of urban Ashes. My feeling is let em die. keep the ones that don't die. The next block over from me they finally cut down all the dead ash trees. I was thankful that two Ash trees survived the lucked out and the man with the spray can didn't notice them because they were so green and they were spared.
 
Having worked in and around trees for almost ten years both in Europe and in North America, I feel I have a good understanding of arboriculture and how trees should be managed both in rural and urban settings.

Sadly, and frustratingly, it appears many companies, including "expert" and "preservation" companies have little or no idea what they are doing when it comes to tree care. This includes company owners, sales reps and tree crews alike. However, due to the ignorance of the majority of property owners, 'tree guys' are being able to carry out bad tree work and perform unnecessary tree removals without any kind of quality control, and at such rate that the push for consistent production is keeping the cost of work low and the rate of pay for all involved even lower.

The same appears to be true of plant 'health care'. Unnecessary treatments are being sold to customers and applied without any regard for the wider implication of the affect to the environment. There should be no chemical applications for the control of insects, fungae or diseases; none, not ever. The fact that the two largest tree companies in North America develop applications and treatment strategies in laboratories is shocking and should not be allowed to happen. However, with most processed food being produced by pharmaceutical companies, and sold in grocery stores owned by said companies, it is easy to understand why many short-sighted and small-minded people do not see the problem of integrated pest management and plant health care regimes. Repeated applications of a chemical to 'kill' a naturally occurring seasonal fungus so that a customer can enjoy greener leaves on their tree or shrub and charging hundreds of dollars for a few minutes work is immoral and should be illegal.

The more I learn about trees and the world in which they grow, the more I despair for our planet and grow increasingly despondent for an industry that should be as well respected as any of the medical professions. Most people care which physician they take their family to, or which veterinarian they take their pet to, so surely the same should be true of tree care professionals? The problem is that anyone can say they are a tree care professional; any person with a cutting tool can claim they know how to prune a tree. Being a "tree expert" requires no higher education; no universally accepted and approved qualifications; no time as a student, resident or junior like the medical profession. Surely this is wrong and must change?

Does any one else think the arboricultural industry needs to be brought out of the dark ages and into the 21st century?

Today I passed a worker for one of the largest companies locally; no ppe, cutting some wood with a chainsaw; cigarette hanging out of his mouth. The rest of his crew were around the back of the property; one on ladders using a chainsaw above their head making seemingly random cuts on a large scaffold branch - stripping it out to become a text book example 'lion's tailed'; another swinging around in the upper canopy of a perfectly healthy conifer, one-arming his chainsaw to make random cuts of healthy branches throughout the canopy. It was a depressing sight and I feel sorry for the customer who has presumably paid good money for bad and pointless work.

On a positive note, I am setting up my own company and my aim is to increase the standard of tree care here in Seattle and hopefully beyond. Arborists should be held accountable for bad and unnecessary work, and I hope that it is not too long before claiming to be an "expert" is something that has to be earned through rigorous education, examination and peer review, not just self-professed.

Thank you for reading some of my thoughts.

I think you can do Phc in a responsible way. There are trees we have treated that are healthier because we have treated them. I think its like anything else- its how you do it. If you are conscious of the products you use, how and when you use them then you can do good quality phc with minimal impact. I can tell you there are alot of birches, hemlocks, and elms around in our area because we have treated them.
 
Agreed, but I would also suggest setting up a pesticide and fert list/arsenal that you're comfortable using. Treating or not treating for a largely aesthetic pest or disease doesnt always have to be an internal struggle when you have better confidence about a product's impact.

Dealing with the customer that gets worried about every spot or chew mark is about as frustrating as it gets. Sometimes one has to cut bait if they refuse to be educated about plant disorders.

Staying appraised on new products and techniques helps as well.
 
Two TB Greene threads were awesome.
1. a strong enough rope to negative block trees his ex-phone co. truck was height-limited in reaching, and 2. a climbing question that morphed into the ethics of posting climbing photos sourced off the Internet on his website.
I kinda miss ole Johan. Sure livened up this place.
The let's fill a tree cavity with concrete thread by another departed soul was good too.

Stopped reading the thread to cuss his ass.
Whoever was the first person to intentionally put concrete into a tree and tell someone about it should rot in hell... so many days, bars, and chains ruined. :wtf::tonto::cachetada::hueco::muyenojado:
 

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