Tree Devotionals (Contain Bible Verses, so enter at your own risk)

[Rooted.Tree.Solutions]

Is there a ship's manifest for the ark? Were they even aboard? Or, since it seems that most of them were sea creatures pease explain how they and the rest of the sea creatures were corralled on the ark.

Where is the record of them being alive 10k years ago? It seems the record is in place millions of years ago though.

Are we to take your word to the validity of their extinction? What do you base your expertise on?

Animals go extinct all the time, I’m pretty sure we can all agree upon that because it’s Observable Science. The record of dinosaurs being alive is in Job chapter 39-40. I’m not asking you to take my word about anything, I’m just asking you not to silence me because you disagree.

 

[Reach]

The ships manifest for the Ark is in Genesis chapter 7, verses 2 and 3: “Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth.” The sea creatures would have remained in the sea. No reason to put them in the Ark, as they already lived in the water.

At least two dinosaurs are specifically described in the book of Job, in chapters 40 and 41. I won’t copy and paste it all here, but this link will take you to it: https://www.bible.com/bible/59/JOB.40.ESV

I cannot speak to the extinction of any specific animals, only that scientists of today are certain that many animals are extinct; however they have also been proven wrong many times. Extinct or not, the dinosaurs existed, and seem to not be around these days.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I read the Job passage and didn't read about dinos. The behemouth stuff is so open to interpretation.

Sure things have gone extinct. There is fossil records of a lot of those extinctions. None for dinos lately though. they were gone millions of years ago. Where are the remains of the dinos that were NOT brought on the ark? If there were enough of a population swimming around 10k years ago we should be tripping over their remains not finding them buried in the strata from millions of years ago.

To me Fred, Barney et al are cartoon characters with stories that are cartoons. Too bad people believe that humans and dinos lived together in the RL not just in Hanna-Barbera cartoon world.

 

[Willber]

Plesiosaur - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This continuous line of stupid non-science and no nreligious blathering is becoming embarrassing. The guidelines for what is hosted on Treebuzz are being reconsidered. Don't be surprised if this whole pile or bologna gets swept away,

Comments are made that are so easily debunked.

Legit questions are asked to show some sort of back up to what is said and the answer of 'faith' is given. Not good enough.

So....once again. what the dickens do you mean that the Plesiosaures survived a flood? @Willber

I only said the plesiosaurs survived the flood, because believers in intelligent design and evolutionists alike accept that fossilization couldn't have slowly over a long duration of time, for the "fossil" would not be preserved intact. So, all fossils, dinos included, were buried rapidly during a catastrophic event, which probably was the world wide flood. About 40 years ago evolutionists concluded there had to have been a catastrophic flood event that occurred, to explain the grand canyon, among other things.
So, I was just throwing out there, that if a dino was to survive it maybe possibly could have been the plesiosaur.

It seems the world majority in academia, is with the consensus of the non-"intelligent design " ideology. So, it's hard to find mainstream "reputable" citations supporting ID or creationism.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

So, I was just throwing out there,

So you're making things up and posting them as a fact? And there is confusion about why I would want such drivel hosted on my website?

Take responsibility and edit/delete or add in an acknowlegement that you're BSing.

I've read about the Grand Canyon flood bull-ogna. What drivel. Total fantasy.

Some writer with a bit too much PT Barnum in them wrote a Grand Canyon book and went to court to force the NPS to sell it at the bookstores in the Park. On a trip there I found the book and read it in the bookstore. It was entertaining. So many stretches though it seemed like the pages were made of Silly Putty. Total garbage with no scientific corroboration of anything in the book.

 

[Rooted.Tree.Solutions]

So you're making things up and posting them as a fact? And there is confusion about why I would want such drivel hosted on my website?

Take responsibility and edit/delete or add in an acknowlegement that you're BSing.

I've read about the Grand Canyon flood bull-ogna. What drivel. Total fantasy.

Some writer with a bit too much PT Barnum in them wrote a Grand Canyon book and went to court to force the NPS to sell it at the bookstores in the Park. On a trip there I found the book and read it in the bookstore. It was entertaining. So many stretches though it seemed like the pages were made of Silly Putty. Total garbage with no scientific corroboration of anything in the book.

And still you have given zero evidence for millions of years. There is no evidence because it’s historical science and can’t be proven. You’ve still yet to acknowledge the difference between Observational Science and Historical Science.

 

[Willber]

So your proof is coming from the same source that brought us such classics a virgins giving birth, men walking on water, and the dead rising from their graves.. Got it..

Even one of the most eminent evolutionists of our time, Richard Dawkins, agreed that origin of spontaneous life is so improbable, that "aliens seeded this planet", for an explanation of how life began.

It seems there is a dislike of the God of the bible. Why? The things stated here about what the God of the bible did, aren't bad. What if God was able to do these things. If we have such a creator, isn't it a good thing?

 

[Tom Dunlap]

If you can't do your own reading I'm not doing searches for you. You choose not to believe accepted science when it comes to any sort of earth science. Not my place to teach you. YOur theology seems to have taken over.

There is plenty of info supporting the aging of the earth via the fossil record and other testing. This doesn't fit your theology so you choose not to believe the sound and accepted science.

What science do you believe?

I gather that if something isn't spelled out in the bible its suspect or just not true.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

If we have such a creator...

What about creating famine...war...diseases??? Or does your creator only get credit for the warm fuzzy things?

 

[CaPowell]

#13

This one isn’t about trees, but instead, is about something I have noticed and been amazed by in my own personal experience raising little kids lately.

Have you ever given much thought to baby teeth? My oldest son lost his first couple of teeth several months ago. It is a process we just take for granted; after all, we all lost our own baby teeth, we were excited to get adult teeth, and then we probably never gave it much thought after that. But take a minute and consider them now.

• Baby teeth are small. They are the right size for the mouth at the right time. Adult size teeth wouldn’t fit in a toddler’s mouth (and they would look quite funny).
• There are gaps between the teeth. Little kids, don’t need to worry too much about chunks of food getting caught in tight spaces and causing discomfort or dental problems. They don’t have to worry about flossing.
• Little kids are learning how to brush their teeth and take care of their own bodies. I don’t want my children to have cavities, but if they don’t brush well when they are four, it probably isn’t that big of deal because they’re going to lose them all anyway.

I find the whole process fascinating. It screams, “DESIGN!” to me. Once the child is a little bigger and more responsible, their baby teeth fall out (gradually, it would be terrible if they all fell out at once), and adult teeth move in. I know somebody will come up with some explanation for the process using natural selection (the big toothed kids weren’t as good at _____ and subsequently died off), but I don’t see how blind chance and random processes could produce such a well-planned, perfectly-timed, multi-stepped, and tailored system.

If you want to take it even farther, consider wisdom teeth coming in later. Or, if you really want to go crazy, what about how babies are born with no teeth (I’m sure mothers are thankful for this)? Surely, God knew what He was doing. His creation is marvelous and He is worthy of our praise. He has a plan and a purpose. He put care and planning into the design and timing of our teeth.

 

[CaPowell]

#14

I heard a man on the radio five or six years ago and have tried finding the audio clip several times to no avail. I believe his name was J. Jon. I remember enjoying what he said and the way he said it. It went something like this:

“Jesus Christ came into the world to do something for us. And, if you read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), you discover Jesus being presented to us in so many different ways so that people can understand at least one of the pictures… one of the images.

He is the Bread of Life so that bakers can understand.

He is the Water of Life so that plumbers can understand.

He is the Light of the World so that electricians can understand.

He is the Great Physician so that doctors can understand.

He is the Good Shepherd so that farmers can understand.”

J. John went on and on and on. It was so fun to hear him speak about Jesus. It got me thinking though; what about the arborist? Can the arborist understand Jesus?

I think he can. After all, He is the creator of the trees that we work on and care for.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit” (John 15:1-2).

In that picture, God the Father, is the one doing the pruning.

Jesus seems to be more of a removal specialist. I know someone is going to scoff at this and argue that it must have been His practice to carry Tordon with Him, but I don’t believe that was the case. “On the next day, when they had left Bethany, He became hungry. Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. He said to it, ‘May no one ever eat fruit from you again!’ And his disciples were listening… As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up” (Mark 11:12-14;20). This would be an interesting passage to study at a later date.

Anyway, know that Jesus is relatable. He is worth getting to know. Study Him. Learn from Him. Follow Him.

“‘God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’ Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you doubleminded” (James 4:6-7).

 

[CaPowell]

hosted on my website?

You can if you want to, but nobody is forcing you to re-post this stuff on your website, Tom.

I'm sorry, that was just too good to pass up.

I can't find the post about all of this possibly disappearing, but just don’t forget to do it in the name of tolerance.

Tom, I’m curious, did you watch any of the video from post #217?

You keep crying for evidence, but whenever someone gives a good resource or good evidence, you are silent and ignore it, then you bring up a different point, and silence certain parties.

I feel like you would call for folks to have their ISA certification revoked if they treated arboriculture like you do geology. “I learned how to top trees when I first started in the industry, so I’ll continue to do so and I refuse to change my mind on this.” Much has changed. You were taught to look at rocks with an evolutionary bias and subsequently read millions of years into everything. The millions of years just aren’t there. The PhD geologist in those two videos have much, much, MUCH more experience in that area than you do. I don't think you should just write off their credibility because of a Wiki article.

 

[CaPowell]

Even one of the most eminent evolutionists of our time, Richard Dawkins, agreed that origin of spontaneous life is so improbable, that "aliens seeded this planet", for an explanation of how life began.

It seems there is a dislike of the God of the bible. Why? The things stated here about what the God of the bible did, aren't bad. What if God was able to do these things. If we have such a creator, isn't it a good thing?

Isn't that interesting.

Similarly, I've been amazed at the recent rise in the idea of a meta-verse, and not just in sci-fi movies. It is everywhere now. Leading scientists realize the implications of our "fine-tuned" universe and are desperate for any way to explain it without God.

Why are we mocked for believing God created the universe and everything in it, yet secularist can appeal to aliens and are not laughed off the stage. The idea of an infinite number of parallel universes is science-fiction, not science fact.

This man has done a lot of interesting work (all of which is over my head), perhaps someone on here will enjoy it. http://commonsensescience.net/quantum_reality.html

 

[Willber]

What about creating famine...war...diseases??? Or does your creator only get credit for the warm fuzzy things?

Well, from what christians understand, those things are a degradation of how things were, when God made them flawless. This world has been/is devolving physically and morally. And, that the devil plays a large part of the current misery, and suffering in this world, and we allow it when we reject God, for God cannot dwell with us, if we reject God.
It is true there are many good people, die young, or seemingly an unfair death, by natural causes, or even killed.
But, God said, precious in the sight of the Lord are the death of his saints. Because, if we die as a saint [having godly character], we will have earned a place with God, in heaven, which if we really think about it - is where we came from, and therefore belong.
I know many will say it sounds wrong, but if we see that there must be a God, and we search of what religions are most accurate, by testing them with how they are able to predict world events to the exact day, we are left to see that the bible is the most accurate religion. No other book is able to predict the future, from such a priorly long duration of time, as was the bible, in predicting the fall of the Ottoman Empire, to the exact day - among other prediction, concerning world history.

But, even I think religion or faith is not as near as important as an unselfish character.
Though to claim to have faith or religion of a christian, and not to live as Jesus taught us to live, we actually don't believe in Jesus. The old definition of believe was to "be live", to live as you claimed to be. Many christians say we will be judged on our faith/belief, but we will be certainly equally be judged by our works/actions, for they are one and the same.

We all know that most all religions teach to do well unto others and we will be judged on how we lived our life, treated others, and innately understand what basic selfishness is. Now if we are diligent honest searchers of what entity we will eventually answer to, I honestly think it is the God of the bible.
It seems there is significance to the chronology of what was recorded in the bible, and the last parable Jesus gave before he left this world was, did you feed my when I was hungry, did you cloth me when I was naked, did you visit me in prison. If you have done this unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

If there is a devil/adversary of good/unselfish people in this world, his greatest tool of success, is having us believe he doesn't exist.
If the devil can distract, convince people, that what the bible/Jesus said has know meaning for us today, he will be highly successful in having us turn from our only hope.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

So your god gets the good stuff like water into wine and the devil gets the rough stuff like famine.

Oh...and the bible is not a religion like you said.

 

[southsoundtree]

Tom, this is long but I think worthwhile. It is a comparison of the evolutionary model of the fossil record contained in the strata, with what you would expect to find with a catastrophic flood model.

Can someone explain the the ideas he purports.

I haven't seen ANY EVIDENCE in the first 5-10 minutes.

THIS GUY IS A FOOL.


SOMEONE LAY IT OUT LIKE YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND FOSSILIZATION, not biblical denial of it?




How can you trust science for tree work, but not science as applies to the rest of the world?

 

[southsoundtree]

The morality of it depends on if he is using the money for person gain.
He may be capitalizing on it to have funds to further public understanding of what had happened.
I guess it's more about implying he’s not a good scientists.
Evolution seems to lack good science.

Though, it seems the only dinosaurs that survived the flood were the plesiosauruses.

How many hungry people are in Kentucky?

What is Ken Ham's living standard?

 

[southsoundtree]

The ships manifest for the Ark is in Genesis chapter 7, verses 2 and 3: “Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth.” The sea creatures would have remained in the sea. No reason to put them in the Ark, as they already lived in the water.

At least two dinosaurs are specifically described in the book of Job, in chapters 40 and 41. I won’t copy and paste it all here, but this link will take you to it: https://www.bible.com/bible/59/JOB.40.ESV

I cannot speak to the extinction of any specific animals, only that scientists of today are certain that many animals are extinct; however they have also been proven wrong many times. Extinct or not, the dinosaurs existed, and seem to not be around these days.

A ship's manifest is a ship's manifest. The Bible is the Bible. Both written by human hands and printing presses/ computer printers.





Someone show me the actual Bible created by god.

Otherwise, it's a book of fables and parables.








Still waiting on any evidence.

If you understand it, you can explain it. Otherwise, it's nonsense or nonsensical to you.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

@Reach

I read each of the passages three times

At least two dinosaurs are specifically described in the book of Job, in chapters 40 and 41.

40 does a good job of describing a hippo

41does a good job of describing a rhino

With some word magic I'm sure that a case could be made for the behemouth being something else but I'm trying to stay with what I hear you guys saying about the words in the bible being the truth and straight from god. If words are taken at face value to come up with a 10,000 year earth then I guess we have to take the words here in 40 and 41 without embellishment too.

Or is there a tap dance here too?

 

[Rooted.Tree.Solutions]

@Reach

I read each of the passages three times

At least two dinosaurs are specifically described in the book of Job, in chapters 40 and 41.

40 does a good job of describing a hippo

41does a good job of describing a rhino

With some word magic I'm sure that a case could be made for the behemouth being something else but I'm trying to stay with what I hear you guys saying about the words in the bible being the truth and straight from god. If words are taken at face value to come up with a 10,000 year earth then I guess we have to take the words here in 40 and 41 without embellishment too.

Or is there a tap dance here too?

Job 40:17, “His tail is as strong as a Cedar tree.”

Which tail fits that description? I don’t think anyone is doing any tap dancing here…