Three things I've noticed about Lava (Tachyon)

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Three things I\'ve noticed about Lava (Tachyon)

One, the rope identifiers on each end of the rope says Tachyon. The name 'Lava' is not anywhere on the rope.

Two, it seems slicker than every other rope I've used.

Three, it seems pretty stretchy to me.

I'd been climbing on Velocity with the Unicender and then switched to Lava to see how the Uni did on a larger rope and I immediately noticed the stretch, i.e. a bit bouncy.
 
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I believe Tachyon is a little more "slippery" than other arb semi-statics is because it has a firmer construction. Without looking at specs (based on my experience) it feels significantly less bouncy for example than New England Ropes Fly. I can't tell the difference in stretch between Tachyon and Blaze.

For DRT climbing Tachyon's stretch is not an issue for me, I expect plenty of bounce SRT for any arb semi-static rope.

What I like about Tachyon is how light it is for the diameter, it's easy to grip for a less than 1/2" diameter semi-static. For comparison Poison Ivy is better in the stretch department and is easy on the hand but it's heavy to drag around a tree.

I like Velocity but it's a little too skinny for my hands to grip DRT climbing. Tachyon remains my favorite for DRT climbing and it's fine for SRT when it has to be used that way. If I'm going to a tree and I already know I'll be needing to climb SRT I'll bring a 10mm static (Sterling HTP of course).
-moss
 
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Banjo is correct. I believe that it is constructed differently also. I personally think Lava and Tachyon respond differently. Lava seems to milk alot more than true Tachyon and is also seems to be much stretchier. This is just my opinions and experience but I have a 150' Lava climbing line at work and it is really stretchy.

But like I said, this is just my opinion!

Anyone else had experience with these two ropes?
 
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I'm pretty sure they are the exact same rope, just different colors.

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Banjo, are you still climbing on Tachyon? I remember you had a pre-production length of it, not many have climbed on it longer than you. Damn I wish they released that awesome color version you had.
-moss
 
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I'm pretty sure they are the exact same rope, just different colors.

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Banjo, are you still climbing on Tachyon? I remember you had a pre-production length of it, not many have climbed on it longer than you. Damn I wish they released that awesome color version you had.
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Yep, still on it and that color was awesome. It was the opposite of the orange and gold stuff and man did it glisten.
 
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I've been climbing on lava for about a month and have noticed it does feel very "stretchy"
 
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Tachyon is branded as lava for sherrill tree.

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The rope is 'banded'/branded Tachyon on each end of the rope. Sherrill sells two specific colors of Tachyon as Lava.

Lava doesn't appear anywhere on the rope; only the name Tachyon appears on the rope.
 
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One, the rope identifiers on each end of the rope says Tachyon. The name 'Lava' is not anywhere on the rope.

Two, it seems slicker than every other rope I've used.

Three, it seems pretty stretchy to me.


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New England Rope sucks go back to Samson. Any company that would change there name just to sell rope to a comapny so they can call it their rope is a shall we say ***. How do we get the companies to stop making things in different colors for walmart to sell to us at a few dollars less than the originals.
 
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...New England Rope sucks go back to Samson. Any company that would change there name just to sell rope to a comapny so they can call it their rope is a shall we say ***. How do we get the companies to stop making things in different colors for walmart to sell to us at a few dollars less than the originals.

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Velocity (Samson) is my first choice in rope - well, one of my favorites might be more accurate.

Why would we want to pay more for something at Walmart?

And, I was thinking about calling Tobe and seeing if he could work something out with Samson to make Velocity in some different colors, like camo or black. A guy has to maintain a little tactitility (new word).
 
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And, I was thinking about calling Tobe and seeing if he could work something out with Samson to make Velocity in some different colors, like camo or black. A guy has to maintain a little tactitility (new word).

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Are you serious? Why would you want a life line that blends in with everything?
 
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I climb on Tachyon and have noticed that it is a bit slippery. But after using it for awhile, it's softened up and I love the feel of it. As for bounce, compared to climbing on New England Fly, its not that bad. I've haven't noticed much difference from other ropes I've climbed on(blaze, velocity, etc). But I climb DdRT most of the time. Only for ascent will I climb SRT.

Also, there is some differences between Lava and Tachyon. Take Bluemoon/Poison Ivy for instance. The hank of bluemoon I had for a flip line was had a different feel compared to Poison Ivy. The strands also acted different, because it would pick a lot easier. PI seemed to have a tighter weave and would not pick as easily. It also felt slicker until broken in. I suspect that Lava/Tachyon also have the same type of thing going on.
 
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And, I was thinking about calling Tobe and seeing if he could work something out with Samson to make Velocity in some different colors, like camo or black. A guy has to maintain a little tactitility (new word).

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Are you serious? Why would you want a life line that blends in with everything?

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Not really, just harassing Holly.

But my 10mm HTP is black by choice. It's not used as a work rope though.
 
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The difference in Lava and Tachyon can be equated to the difference between NE Safety Blue and Hi-Vee. Same rope construction, but the Hi-Vee has either orange or green instead of straight white. I've used both extensively, and they are like two different ropes. The coating, abrasion resistance, and even the actual diameter differ noticeably after alot of use. The different colored material just behaves a little differently.

-Tom
 
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I switched from some Fly I'd been using back to a new Tachyon using the Uni. The first day's performance was much different. Maybe I'd forgotten how it behaved, but once I refamiliarized myself to Tachyon, its action is smoother.

The finish is a little bit more like KM-III but if I grab onto it thinking it is so, I'm disappointed because its not as stiff and hard.

Tachyon should be squishy-ier than other ropes, look at its composition. There are at least two ropes on the market that have a compressable strand or bundle woven in the core.

In my opinion, Tachyon has a little more work-in period, too.

Can't agree about more stretch. This wouldn't be that hard to do, putting both lines in the same crotch and alternately measuring it. Sometimes all it takes is little analysis. Something maybe my intern can do, like tomorrow. [He snorts and chuckles as he reads this over my shoulder.]
 
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Here is what I remember hearing from one of the rope engineers about the effect of color on rope construction.

Adding different color to the raw materials changes the strength of the fibers. As the rope is designed each piece needs to have a certain strength in order to have a combined strength. That means that some colors have a few more fibers in each pic. That makes the pic larger in diameter by a micro amount. Each of the pics now is larger/smaller but the weaving pattern stays the same for each color combo. The result is that the pics and the whole rope may have a bulkier dimension with plumped up pics.

I'm sure that someone who is more familiar with the rope making lingo will do a better job of describing what is going on.
 
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I understood little to none of that but doesn't matter just wanted to say I use lava(tachyon) and blaze and are love'n em. I use the lava to get around on because of the responsiveness of it and the blaze for the longer ascents. It has some bounce but not more than I can handle. Srt or Ddrt.
 
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i run a 150' lava and the biggest problem i had was the line milked quite a bit. I climb on a distel with hrc but i found if you max it out and get it milked its not so bad but i dont have any experince with other small lines this is my first after bluestreak
 
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