There is probably no God

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6: Atheism, the religion of calling yourself God…

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By not admitting that you were made and exist daily by the grace of a higher being, you are saying that you(man) are the smartest and best thing in the universe.

[/ QUOTE ] Nope again, I can NOT admit to that statement. I think the true atheist knows that mankind is the most stupid species on the planet because of it's reasoning ability and still is able to f uck up so big time for all that is living on the planet.


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You think that your ability to create(or procreate), and destroy makes you powerful.

[/ QUOTE ] O, yes Rob here you are so unbelievable right. But the "You" IMO has to be changed into 'mankind's most god fearing people'. The powerful procreation of the god fearing people made sure that mankind has become that powerful world ruling dominator's (not the best, again IMO).


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You hold and praise your intellect over any chance that there could be a God….. And what if you are wrong?

[/ QUOTE ] If I am wrong? I've lived my life in such a way that I would have been proud of what I have done. I've lived my life knowing it was my ONLY life and that my child (and other critters on the planet) will have to live (and keep on doing so) in this world as well. So if there was an afterlife that you could only reach by being "a good person" I think I am OK.


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I could keep going, but at the rate that I am offending, Mark and Tom might throw me off.

[/ QUOTE ] You are not offending anyone so I don't think Mark or Tom will trow you off.
 
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The crazy thing about those two youths, aside from the ecumenical statistic that the area has more Christian churches per capita than any other urban/suburban area in the U.S., is that by Christian doctrine, they can be forgiven of such an act and don't have to answer to any earthly authority for doing what they did.
 
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Axe: thinking about infinite time, not just into the future, but coming from the past. Wouldn't there have to be a greater reality that verges on the divine?


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The question, "Wouldn't there have to be a greater reality that verges on the divine?"

I assume you were referring to the Blaise Pascal quote, "At he far end of an infinite distance a coin is being spun, which way will you wager?"

Pascal was talking about infinite distance not time.

" Wouldn't there have to be a greater reality that verges on the divine?"

If a greater reality, that is a reality unknown to earthly creatures, was to verge by which you mean meet, on the divine by which you mean God, then that would be great! just great!

I havent got the faintest idea what this ridiculous and meaningless statement means but it has been fun trying to make sense of it.
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Thanks Fred, please get back to me with an answer to your existential riddle.
 
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I find it interesting that you use the term "true Christian" (hahaha!).


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I mean a Christian who has thought for a long time about what it means to become a Christian.

A true Christian loves the poor, Jesus was poor, he hung out with poor people, beggars and people with physical disabilities.

Capitalist Christians know nothing of true Christianity, why dont they give all their wealth and possessions to the poor? All of it?

Christianity teaches people to take care of the poor and needy. Everyone regardless of race, colour or creed.
 
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But the problem with atheism is that, given the impossibility of proving either existence or non-existence, why deny yourself this experience? Go ahead and call it brain chemicals, or whatever, but open yourself, momentarily, to the experience. You can work out the belief system, and, if you're lucky, find like minded fellow travellers, later.

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No thanks I have read both Old and New Testament and to be frank with you, what I have read has disgusted me. Apart from the passages about caring for the poor and needy, and certain sections related to death.

St Paul was an evil man, and the God 'Yahweh' of the Old Testament was a sick deviant foul being who relished in violence, intolerance and hatred of certain groups of people. He also hated women.

If you want examples I will be happy to give you them.
In fact lets face it, you all know what I'm talking about if you read the bible.

The New Testament is no better with it's nasty little notion of original sin. And Revelation, well lets just save all the Jews shall we? oh and by the way none of them can be women!
 
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I dissagree. "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." Philippians 4:6&7 (NIV)


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Jesus was a anxious man filled with despair.
He also did not like trees.
 
Re: Christianity

yeah, that was Mark 4:16 "And lo, when thou comest upon a tree standing in the field, thou shalt smite it with thine sword of righteousness, and if thou dost not have thine sword, then perhaps a hatchet wouldst do, for all trees are an abomination unto my father"
I guess you know he was anxious and filled with despair because he was always turning things into wine, to drown his sorrows.
Dude. You do go on, don't you?
P.S. I don't want to hear any bible quotes from you to show he was a depressed tree-hater. You don't like the bible anyway. Thanks.
 
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treespoter said:

So if there was an afterlife that you could only reach by being "a good person" I think I am OK.

and i reply:

Who said anything about being good? did you read some of my previous posts?
what about the part about "our best efforts at being good are like God's dirty laundry"

you also said:

I think the true atheist knows that mankind is the most stupid species on the planet because of it's reasoning ability

I reply:

If we are so stupid, then why are we the only ones that use central heat and air?

this is about the dumbest idea that i have ever heard(no offence ment to you) the idea that man is inferior to anything on this planet is crazy. there is science that proves your theroy wrong, not to mention common sence. just look around you, how can you say that?

Read Psalm 1 "He hath given man dominion over all things on earth"

Rob

Oh yeah, Are you a vegetarian?
 
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yeah, that was Mark 4:16 "And lo, when thou comest upon a tree standing in the field, thou shalt smite it with thine sword of righteousness, and if thou dost not have thine sword, then perhaps a hatchet wouldst do, for all trees are an abomination unto my father"
I guess you know he was anxious and filled with despair because he was always turning things into wine, to drown his sorrows.
Dude. You do go on, don't you?
P.S. I don't want to hear any bible quotes from you to show he was a depressed tree-hater. You don't like the bible anyway. Thanks.

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I was being flippant and I was referring to the incident with the Fig Tree. Relax dude yes I do go on because I like to exchange ideas and debate unlike you who tries to stifle a debate with your petty little rant. Goodbye dude!
 
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Hey Jay:

Like any scholar, I'd just like to see you site your claims with a reference. It would be helpful for me to figure out where you are comming up with these claims from the bible.
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Please, help a brother out.
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If we are so stupid, then why are we the only ones that use central heat and air?

this is about the dumbest idea that i have ever heard(no offence ment to you) the idea that man is inferior to anything on this planet is crazy. there is science that proves your theroy wrong, not to mention common sence. just look around you, how can you say that?

Read Psalm 1 "He hath given man dominion over all things on earth"


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Typically arrogant Christian view.

Here is another view,

"That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim" by G.C. Lichtenberg

Think about it.

RemWiz, start reading some other books other than the bible and you may discover there is more than one option of how to view the world.
 
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A true Christian loves the poor, Jesus was poor, he hung out with poor people, beggars and people with physical disabilities.
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Christianity teaches people to take care of the poor and needy. Everyone regardless of race, colour or creed.

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And apart from those in such a situation who profess Christianity, no mention is made of passing judgment upon them as to why they're in such a state. So perhaps the "creed" part should be left out of your statement?
 
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And apart from those in such a situation who profess Christianity, no mention is made of passing judgment upon them as to why they're in such a state. So perhaps the "creed" part should be left out of your statement?

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What exactly do you mean glens? I dont follow, by creed I mean differing opinions.
 
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Capitalist Christians know nothing of true Christianity, why dont they give all their wealth and possessions to the poor? All of it?

Christianity teaches people to take care of the poor and needy. Everyone regardless of race, colour or creed.

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You are correct. I wrestle with this too. I see the church as not being that generous as a whole. I give personally to the poor, but I will not disclose how much and how often. Because if I were to do so, then I would loose my reward. (Matthew 6:1-4)
 
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Creed:
A definite summary of what is believed; esp., a summary of the articles of Christian faith; a confession of faith for public use; esp., one which is brief and comprehensive.
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If you'd meant "regardless opposing creed" then I'd agree.

Christians were admonished to work so that they'd have money to live off of and to give to others (primarily their "brethren" in and around Jerusalem, who were particularly downtrodden by the "other" citizenry there). If a person were poor because they made bad financial decisions, so to speak, they were still fair game for Christian charity if they weren't "believers".

I forget where it was just now, but I always got a kick out of hearing the passage where Paul suggested the folks "set by in store" the gift money they'd pledged to the Jerusalem Christians so that he could pick it up on his way through and no collections would have to be made. The reason I got a kick out of it is that it's predominantly "preached" as authority for the collection plate getting passed each Sunday. The language of the text is quite clear that each individual who'd made themself responsible was to store it up (keep it ready to hand); not put it into the coffers.

Another similar (¿honest?) mistake is the teaching that Christians are to put a tenth of their incoming into the coffers of the church. When the "law of the tithe" is researched, it's quite plain that, when the Israelites would come into the promised land and God would there choose a place for his temple, that they were to take a tenth of their gain for the year, grab a homeless/widow or two (along with some Levites), and take it all to (what eventually came to be) Jerusalem. If the distance was too far to carry all the stuff, they were to exchange it for gold (money) and cart that there. Upon arriving they were to buy whatever their heart desired (even specifically mentioning strong drink!). Either way, the goal was to throw a party with the stuff! It was only on the third year that they were to give it to the local Levites for storage/use/redistribution. At best, even if the current "priesthood" were equivalent to the Levites of the Old Testament (they're not; "we" are all priests -- a "kingdom" of them; there is no separate priesthood in the Christianity of the New Testament), the figure would be more like 1/30. But it's a moot point since the Old Covenant has been fulfilled/terminated and nobody alive for the past 2030 years or so, today, or ever more is obliged to any of its terms. (all of the Ten Commandments except keeping the Sabbath were re-declared as terms of the New Covenant so if we're obliged to them it's only for that reason -- the fact that they're mentioned in the "old" are irrelevant to us except for historic reasons)

I'm really not a religious person and I don't mind if others choose one way or the other. I just wish they'd bother to actually read the material if they claim to follow it. For the very most part, the best that can be said about modern Christianity is that it's based upon that mentioned in the New Testament.
 
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I reckon we all just believe whatever is appropriate at any given time, moral and religious beliefs are as transient as the changing weather, at one time we all believed in hundreds of different Gods, and everyone was fine with that. Then the Christians came and told us we could only worship one God at that was it. No choice. Everyone else is wrong. The Buddhists, The Animal Gods of Africa the Sunworshippers of South America and many more are all wrong in the eyes of the Abrahamic God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. The three 'great' Monotheistic Religions.

Well I dont really know what the answers are, nobody does.

But when people try to show me the way or tell me to surrender myself to God and Jesus, it does not feel right.

I dont believe that this God being exists, certainly not like the God described in the Bible.

I believe we try to give our lives some worth and use religion to try to make sense of the world.

I think that when you die your soul just drifts off into the ether, and thats it. I dont want to go to Heaven anyway, because there are many people i dont want to see again.

I think that when you die you do live on, you live on in the memories of your loved ones, they remeber you and how you were and the things that you did in your life, for me that is the idea of an afterlife.

And if it should turn out that God exists, and I meet him and he asks me why I did not believe he existed I will just say, becuase I could not see you or hear you, there just wasn't enough evidence for your existence"

I certainly dont believe in the idea of hell, only humans could have conjured up such a cruel idea.

If you dont like my view on things then thats fine, because I have chosen my views they are mine alone and I am responsiblke for them, I have made my own choices about how I will live my life.

I hope you are truly happy if you believe in God then great, but dont ever force it on other people or act arrogant thinking you know all the answers.

If God was so great why is there so much suffering in the world?
Because God works in mysterious ways.

Oh does he, that fills me with so much happiness, thanks God for working in mysterious ways.
 
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A true Christian loves the poor, Jesus was poor, he hung out with poor people, beggars and people with physical disabilities.

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Here we go again.

No Axe, he was NOT a poor man that hung out with beggars.
Jesus is the name written down about 400 years after a man was hung on a mountain. After he was dead the people brought him back to the city where he was showed to all the citizens. That man disappeared overnight and was never found back.
That man was Julius. And he was the richest man around at that time. He claimed he was THE God. He didn't hang out with poor people, beggars and people with physical disabilities.

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I think that when you die you do live on, you live on in the memories of your loved ones, they remeber you and how you were and the things that you did in your life, for me that is the idea of an afterlife.

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I can live with that
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If we are so stupid, then why are we the only ones that use central heat and air?

this is about the dumbest idea that i have ever heard(no offence ment to you) the idea that man is inferior to anything on this planet is crazy. there is science that proves your theroy wrong, not to mention common sence. just look around you, how can you say that?


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No offense taken Rob.
Is central heat and air the definition of not stupid? Or is that the definition of a smart species that by its own THINKING is gonna start a CO2 pollution to kill most living things on the planet by Global Warming.

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Oh yeah, Are you a vegetarian?

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No of course not... My dental construction is made to tear meat from the bones and to crush plants as well.
My metabolic system can't cope with just meat and my body hasn't got four stomaches so I can't just eat grass
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That's something evolutionary (also something proved by science).
 
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"The Revenge of Gaia" very sad story by a grumpy old man.

Treespotter, dont become like James Lovelock a cynical misanthropist.

You look like quite a happy person. Stay away from Lovelock it only leads you to dark places.

He talks about the Earth suffering from a plague of people and how the human race is a tumour on the Earth.

Its horrible.

All I was saying is that Christianity has some endearing features, like social status not being important, rejection of materialism and vanity.

try not to be so close minded.
 
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