The Past 4 Years

[owScott]

Are you familiar with the art of rhetoric in politics? Do you really hold Trump responsible for knowing all and doing all so as to halt the forces of nature and cure all the ills of man? Why don't you criticize Obama for saying his presidency would be the one to stop the oceans from rising? At around the same time frame, Dr. Fauci emphatically stated that masks were not necessary and would only serve to scare people. He changed his tune a number of times, but of course he's one of the 'good guys' so..."nothing to see here, folks..."
Sophomorism is a bad look.

Are you familiar with whataboutism, deflect and deny. Dont recall Obama or Fauci mentioned in why Higherground was confused to why people keep saying Trump mishandled the virus. I hold Trump responsible for telling lies he knew to be false. This is about Trump lying about the virus . Not about Obama or Faucti. I may be a dumb hillbilly that needs a dictionary to read your posts, but I sure as hell know when I am being lied to.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

Okay, first of all Obama had setup a Pandemic response team that they then disbanded, probably because he didn’t like Obama.

Secondly, people keep criticizing Dr. Fauci because at the beginning of this crises he said masks were not necessary for people who were not sick or not working in health care, but that’s no fault to his own because this was a brand new virus that they had not seen and didn’t have enough information about.

Overtime they realized it is primarily spread in respiratory droplets from person to person, and studies and research backed up the idea that wearing masks could protect both the wearer (depending what grade your mask is, N95 etc.) and other people. It was a learn as you go process.

I bet more people would’ve been accepting to mask wearing but our leader wouldn’t wear a mask, the staff wouldn’t wear masks, and many people got sick because of it within the administration itself and you have half the country who won’t wear masks and considers it a form of control...good grief!

Furthermore, our past leader is on recording specifically stating back at the beginning of 2020 that this virus is more dangerous than what people understand it to be but he was purposely downplaying it.

They did absolutely nothing / nowhere near what should've been done to control the virus or encourage people to take precautions whatsoever. The effort wasn't led by science, there wasn't a national strategy that encouraged unity. Only more division! We had the most advanced warning, it started overseas. We saw the potential for this to become a Pandemic. Any little travel bans that might have been imposed at the beginning doesn’t account for why nothing was done for the rest of 2020 when it was very clear the cases were climbing out of control and hospitals were getting overwhelmed.

For somebody who stands by your beliefs so much, explain to us all then how other countries have successfully gotten the virus under control and are able to resume some sense of normalcy and we have the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the world, at its peak hitting 300,000 cases in a single day, 3,000-4,000+ people dying a day and almost a half a million people who lost their lives in total, and over 25 million cases.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Hear him...hear him!

 

[DSMc]

... we have the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the world,...

If you actually look at the statistics, you would realize that statement is not true. But we have been hammered and not from any one reason.

For instance, have you looked at us as a nation?

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www.ecowatch.com

"The majority of Americans are stressed, sleep-deprived and overweight and suffer from largely preventable lifestyle diseases such as heart disease, cancer, stroke and diabetes. Being overweight or obese contributes to the 50% of adults who suffer high blood pressure, 10% with diabetes and additional 35% with pre-diabetes."

Who do we point our fingers at for life style choices we knowingly make?

 

[climbingmonkey24]

You want to talk about people with prior conditions let’s talk about the many healthy people with no prior conditions, young people too, who didn’t survive COVID or if they did, they now have long-term serious health complications because of it.

I’ve got no patience whatsoever for people who try to justify COVID deaths / cases or downplay the severity of the problem by saying most of the cases must be people with prior conditions. Even so, many of these cases could’ve probably been preventable if we were actually doing something to control the Pandemic and limit the spread, and people took personal responsibility to take precautions, not just for themselves but also for others.

Around 2 million deaths globally and we account for almost a half million of that! 100 million total cases and we account for almost 1/4th of that.

And you’re comparing the lifestyle choices people make and who should take responsibility for those decisions to the decisions made as to how to handle a global pandemic?

 

[DSMc]

You want to talk about people with prior conditions let’s talk about the many healthy people with no prior conditions, young people too,...

Care to give me a number? The total case-fatality ratio is 1.7%.
Meaning it has a 98.3% survival rate. Out of the total 432,864 deaths "attributed" to COVID-19, 93% of the deaths have occurred among those 55 and older.

I’ve got no patience whatsoever...

Yes, I can see that.

And you’re comparing the lifestyle choices people make and who should take responsibility for those decisions to the decisions made as to how to handle a global pandemic?

Yes I am. Are you saying that the general public has no responsibility for their decisions? When it is cold and rainy out do you need to be told to put on a coat?

 

[climbingmonkey24]

Surviving COVID doesn’t necessarily mean you recover. The way you’re talking, you don’t think 4,000+ deaths per day is that serious? Almost 80,000 deaths in a single month?

Yes people should take personal responsibility, I said that. But when people are being lied to told how the virus isn’t as bad as it is, or that their rights are being infringed upon because you’re being asked to wear a mask, and aren’t encouraged to take precautions, how do you expect them to do the right thing? Taking precautions, which should be a health care thing, has turned into something political.

I’ve got little to no respect for the people who don’t take COVID as seriously as it is because the rest of us who have been sacrificing in our life for the last year trying to do the right thing by others not just ourselves are suffering because the selfish people who do nothing but treat COVID-19 as a hoax or as just a cold or the flu, or some conspiracy, are only contributing to the spread and pushing us further away from regaining some sense of normalcy.

One the worst things about this Pandemic aside from all the loss, is the amount of “it’s all about me and I’ll do what I want” attitudes.

 

[DSMc]

If you are addressing me, you might want to take a second look at the words I used in my posts. In no way did I say or even imply a callus disregard of what is going on.

So when should we start to live, in a healthy and interactive manner, with the knowledge that humanity has never been virus free and never will be?

Vaccinated People Are Going to Hug Each Other

The vaccines are phenomenal. Belaboring their imperfections—and telling people who receive them never to let down their guard—carries its own risks.

www.theatlantic.com

“COVID-19 Vaccine Doesn’t Mean You Can Party Like It’s 1999,” one headline admonished. Can vaccinated people at least hang out with one another? Nope, masks and distancing are still required. “Bottom line,” another article concluded ominously: “You will need to wear a face mask after you’re vaccinated until COVID-19 cases become nearly nonexistent.”

 

[climbingmonkey24]

I don’t see what exactly your point / argument is here? What points are you trying to get across?

 

[DSMc]

Truth and clarity that also includes rational thought.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

Truth and clarity that also includes rational thought.

What is your truth that the virus isn’t as deadly as they make it out to be? So what do you think we should do? Let the virus keep spreading and just resume normal life? Thousands of people to continue dying each day? Not only will that have a terrible effect on the human side of things but also on the economy.

You have to get the virus under control first when it’s as out of control as it, economy / daily life second. That should be common sense.

Other countries have done it and are getting back to normal life. There’s been proven strategies that work.

Yet we’ve been spinning our wheels for a year.

 

[rico]

In 2020 the US economy SHRUNK by 3.5%, making it the worst economic growth since WW2. Add to that the 10's of million of lost jobs, the millions of American cast into poverty, and Donny's legacy just keeps getting better and better....MAGA Mutherfuckers.

 

[rico]

Nearly 4,900 Covid victims yesterday...MAGA!

 

[rico]

847,000 new jobless claims last week...MAGA!

 

[Mitch Hoy]

Sadly' racism IS alive and well because of people like you who insist on distinguishing between the races. I judge people by the decisions and actions that individual chooses to do. Prisons are full of criminals, plain and simple! You think our legal system, imperfect as it may be, is designed to target certain races unfairly? Guess what, every man in jail is innocent! Go ask 'em! Nobody in there is innocent! You break the law enough times or seriously enough and your ass winds up in the stir. To say one race is more inclined to be locked up is, in itself, racist. Go live amongst criminals -any color- and then tell me removing them isn't a necessary thing.
Same with the borders. You either come here legally or illegally. We either have a nation of laws, or we have a nation of men. 'Of men'...the tyrant takes over and you live by HIS law.
I get the idea that you just want rainbows and "kumbaya", don't we all, but the adults in the room know that's just silly idealism.
Your screed reads like that of one of Lenin's 'Useful idiots'.

People who deal in absolutes such as “there is no such thing as race” and “everyone incarcerated deserves to be there” are the only ones channeling rainbows and unicorns. It’s pure fantasy, just a convenient way to make two dimensional thinking operate in a three dimensional world. You can’t or won’t lift the stone of thought beyond what is convenient for you or feels good. Some might call that lazy. Or stupid. Either way it’s the path of least resistance for your demographic. Easy for you, who cares about anyone else, right?
By the way, the concept of being “colorblind,” as it used to be called, is racist, and has been considered so since the 90’s. Ignoring the problem doesn’t make it go away, and silencing the experiences of entire races by pretending race doesn’t exist is wrong.
Take a unicorn ride for me with your MAGA pals. There isn’t any gold (for you) at the end of trumps rainbow.

 

[treegongfu]

I think we need a definition:

Definition of racism​

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

 

[treegongfu]

Do any of the people so accused believe this?

 

[Mitch Hoy]

Of course not. They’re perfect patriots and I’m just a race-baiting SJW. Now let’s quit all this uncomfortable questioning of ethics and policy and get back to not questioning anything at all.

Why offer the escape hatch, @treegongfu ?

 

[rico]

People who deal in absolutes such as “there is no such thing as race” and “everyone incarcerated deserves to be there” are the only ones channeling rainbows and unicorns. It’s pure fantasy, just a convenient way to make two dimensional thinking operate in a three dimensional world. You can’t or won’t lift the stone of thought beyond what is convenient for you or feels good. Some might call that lazy. Or stupid. Either way it’s the path of least resistance for your demographic. Easy for you, who cares about anyone else, right?
By the way, the concept of being “colorblind,” as it used to be called, is racist, and has been considered so since the 90’s. Ignoring the problem doesn’t make it go away, and silencing the experiences of entire races by pretending race doesn’t exist is wrong.
Take a unicorn ride for me with your MAGA pals. There isn’t any gold (for you) at the end of trumps rainbow.

Of course not. They’re perfect patriots and I’m just a race-baiting SJW. Now let’s quit all this uncomfortable questioning of ethics and policy and get back to not questioning anything at all.

Why offer the escape hatch, @treegongfu ?

I do enjoy your posts Mitch....

 

[rico]

Do any of the people so accused believe this?

Cue up "I'm the least racist person you'll ever meet"