The New Treemotion

[rico]

Thanks Rico

I believe you are looking for a new saddle Steve, and I was simply trying to offer a real world opinion of the TM, and dispel the myth that it is somehow a toy and not a very serious tool. Despite what the peanut gallery is telling you, it is an extremely well rounded harness that can handle big removals just as easily as a crown reduction pruning.
You have been in this game long enough to know its always better to fly before you buy. For the record I own and climb in the MB, the TreeAustria 3.2, and the TM, and I would be perfectly happy flying any one of them for the rest of my days. Saddle rich bro!

 

[WaitakKauri]

Not to get too off topic, but to me saddles are chosen for need and/but people will have personal preferences.

Ford or Holden, whatever rocks your Ute.

I'm not going to knock the spreader bar thing as yet as know a lot of thought and design and engineering will have gone into it. I may not like it, but I'm listening (marketing bs excluded).

I'm happy with my adjustable bridge, I just have to remove the adjuster and shorten manually for tcc's. Wish it was an 'endorsed' option.

 

[John@TreeXP]

I love the double rope bridge concept when used with varied lengths... way better than an adjustable single rope bridge. I sincerely commend TM & DMM for being the first out of the gate with the newly modified custom double-rope D-ring and for offering a more comfortable spreader option too, for those wanting a less pinched pelvis. While I can get away with anchor knots on the old d's to hold my second rope bridge, I'd be hesitant to replace my current TM harness, at least until I decide it needs replacing, but I realize its safer doing it the new way.

 

[joezilla11]

So this got me thinking about a double bridge on any saddle like a MB. The rigging plates have larger holes but I’m wondering if doubling up a smaller rope will yield a larger stopper knot and give u the same 2 bridge option.

 

[joezilla11]

So the saddle got me thinking about having 2 bridges and having one adjustable and/or shorter. So I was thinking if u pass both bridges thru the lower dee, tie your double fisherman’s knot in the first bridge and pass your 2nd bridge straight thru that knot as well with the tail. Now you could pull the 2nd bridge tighter/shorter and tie a stopper knot to keep it from going thru the first knot. Does that seem acceptable?

 

[John@TreeXP]

Sounds right to me. The first knot is a stopper for the second knot and visa versa.

 

[evo]

So the saddle got me thinking about having 2 bridges and having one adjustable and/or shorter. So I was thinking if u pass both bridges thru the lower dee, tie your double fisherman’s knot in the first bridge and pass your 2nd bridge straight thru that knot as well with the tail. Now you could pull the 2nd bridge tighter/shorter and tie a stopper knot to keep it from going thru the first knot. Does that seem acceptable?

holy crap, this is genius.
Take the long bridge and on one side tie a blakes around the tail of the short bridge/adjustable bridge. maybe a tight tripple fishermans or some such would work too.

 

[WaitakKauri]

holy crap, this is genius.
Take the long bridge and on one side tie a blakes around the tail of the short bridge/adjustable bridge. maybe a tight tripple fishermans or some such would work too.

this is really interesting... i can't wait to try this and muck about.

 

[colb]

So the saddle got me thinking about having 2 bridges and having one adjustable and/or shorter. So I was thinking if u pass both bridges thru the lower dee, tie your double fisherman’s knot in the first bridge and pass your 2nd bridge straight thru that knot as well with the tail. Now you could pull the 2nd bridge tighter/shorter and tie a stopper knot to keep it from going thru the first knot. Does that seem acceptable?

Would you then have a piece of the second bridge rope actively moving through a life support knot on the first bridge rope?

 

[Barc Buster]

So the saddle got me thinking about having 2 bridges and having one adjustable and/or shorter. So I was thinking if u pass both bridges thru the lower dee, tie your double fisherman’s knot in the first bridge and pass your 2nd bridge straight thru that knot as well with the tail. Now you could pull the 2nd bridge tighter/shorter and tie a stopper knot to keep it from going thru the first knot. Does that seem acceptable?

A picture might be helpful for those of us visual learners.

 

[John@TreeXP]

I now have my TM bridge set like this, but I'm using RIT 8mm rope without the sewn terminations for my second-longer rope bridge.

https://flic.kr/p/28H16RY

The new TM will look like this...

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It appears on the new TM that the two ropes form a double fisherman's knot, with the one rope going through the first fisherman's knot, and without it being adjustable. I think it's safer with it not being adjustable and pre-setting both rope bridges to their desired lengths and then forgetting about it.

Im curious as to how important it is to use the TM rope versus another substitute rope bridge without the sewn terminations. I realize there can be some core slippage, but does that impact the integrity of the anchor knots enough to render it unsafe and compell one not to use anything other than the TM rope bridge rope with the sewn termination? Anyone have any thoughts or opinions about that, aside from the rope's length limits?

 

[joezilla11]

Would you then have a piece of the second bridge rope actively moving through a life support knot on the first bridge rope?

Yes, same as is in the picture of the new tm posted except the second bridge doesn’t terminate back around the first. Not looking to make it actively adjustable but more so just being able to snug it up if desired.

 

[joezilla11]

This is just some cord I had laying around. On the tm bridge the second bridge would terminate back around the tail of the first bridge, I’m just proposing to keep it separated for adjustability. Snug it up and add a knot or just adjust the stopper knot

 

[joezilla11]

On a side note- I noticed the tm for sale on treestuff says it’s an updated 2018 model with new cobra buckles and thicker d rings. Sounds like all the updates as the new tm evo minus the lower d’s with multi bridge options. ?

 

[SomethingWitty]

On a side note- I noticed the tm for sale on treestuff says it’s an updated 2018 model with new cobra buckles and thicker d rings. Sounds like all the updates as the new tm evo minus the lower d’s with multi bridge options. ?

Why did they need thicker d rings?

 

[Brocky]

That's a great idea, @joezilla11, looking at your cord picture, you might get more friction if instead of a stopper knot, you tied it with a double fishemans around the other cord.

 

[moss]

That's a great idea, @joezilla11, looking at your cord picture, you might get more friction if instead of a stopper knot, you tied it with a double fishemans around the other cord.

It could be done more securely following Joezilla's model by making the white cord a little longer and spike the white rope with a carabiner or the Quickie (even better) to adjust length of the white bridge.
-AJ

 

[moss]

Guessing that a small percentage of working climbers actually do competitions but I suspect once you cut the red indicator thread connecting the two DF knots on the stock TM bridge you've just DQ'd your harness.
-AJ

 

[SomethingWitty]

Guessing that a small percentage of working climbers actually do competitions but I suspect once you cut the red indicator thread connecting the two DF knots on the stock TM bridge you've just DQ'd your harness.
-AJ

I'm willing to bet that there is some recommended replacement that doesn't require the thread.
I'm pretty sure that teufelberger will give us a way to compete with this saddle once we change the bridge. They almost have to.

 

[Tuebor]

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