The New Treemotion

Levi.CO said:
Yeah that is sketch. Now the old tm will be coveted and desired like the old pantin.
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Probably not so sketch, so easy to inspect. I seriously doubt one of those screws would back out especially with a thread locker applied. Plus the loading from the bridge presses the gray part in the right direction so the screws don't actually take much load. they're keepers more than anything. Think about all those DMM swivels with bolts on them, the Petzl Open ring, the bolt on swivel on the DMM Hook etc., this seems less sketchy than the other stuff mentioned. But I get it, the soon to be vintage gear was just fine on the TM.
 
TimBr said:
Thanks moss. I guess I was just seeing that it looked like they stitched the rope bridge around a big, conventional looking ring, instead of passing it through a smaller opening. I was thinking that the stopper knots might be too small, and possibly pull through those bridge rings. I guess I'd need to see the kind of knot you have in mind.

Tim
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I've climbed on this two bridge system on my TM for quite a while, works great, what they've come up with is better IMHO, more configuration flexibility, frees up the lower D's a bit more, all good.

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-AJ
 
moss said:
Probably not so sketch, so easy to inspect. I seriously doubt one of those screws would back out especially with a thread locker applied. Plus the loading from the bridge presses the gray part in the right direction so the screws don't actually take much load. they're keepers more than anything. Think about all those DMM swivels with bolts on them, the Petzl Open ring, the bolt on swivel on the DMM Hook etc., this seems less sketchy than the other stuff mentioned. But I get it, the soon to be vintage gear was just fine on the TM.
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I dig that, the comparisons, makes sense. I can't think of anything life support I use with bits like that, besides the pins on the bdb. I'm sure it's plenty safe (the new lower d's) but goes away from the KISS mantra.
 
@moss; Thanks for posting those photos. A fisherman's knot tied around the saddle attachment point, correct? So it just cinches down and stays secure, no problem? Nice solution. Thanks again.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
@moss; Thanks for posting those photos. A fisherman's knot tied around the saddle attachment point, correct? So it just cinches down and stays secure, no problem? Nice solution. Thanks again.

Tim
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Yes, locks down tight, as usual make sure there's enough tail, notice the stitching on the ends with the stock TM bridge cordage, prevents the slippery core from moving in some extreme loading event.
-AJ
 
JCJC7 said:
Well I asked that at the store and they said you can just use any other bridge with a ending knot they showed me a pic, one climber get one BJ (lol) he cut that bride and use those trees motion bridges, what I like about the BJ saddle is the light weight it feels so comfortable, they said this saddle goes for $496 at the my local store.
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I would not spend $496 on that saddle. It may be fine, but that is the first saddle I have ever seen made by All Gear. Any maker would have a hard time on their first saddle. Heck, TM is arguably having a hard time on their new saddle and they share the top rank of saddle making with one or two other companies. Meanwhile, All Gear is a bit on the fringe of arboriculture. They produce weakly anodized rigging rings, I think they spread their focus to other rope industries, they send out mass market e-mails that are pseudo-personalized from the lady of the quarter. It's just a tad off over there... That said, I bought and used a Husky 9/16ths rigging rope that they made and it functioned great for it's working life. Just not sure I would buy that harness...
 
colb said:
I would not spend $496 on that saddle. It may be fine, but that is the first saddle I have ever seen made by All Gear. Any maker would have a hard time on their first saddle. Heck, TM is arguably having a hard time on their new saddle and they share the top rank of saddle making with one or two other companies. Meanwhile, All Gear is a bit on the fringe of arboriculture. They produce weakly anodized rigging rings, I think they spread their focus to other rope industries, they send out mass market e-mails that are pseudo-personalized from the lady of the quarter. It's just a tad off over there... That said, I bought and used a Husky 9/16ths rigging rope that they made and it functioned great for it's working life. Just not sure I would buy that harness...
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Ok, I’ll wait and get, the onyx, the TM or the MB. Now you said All Gear produce weak rigging rings well I get those for light rigging, I work doing line clearance, I haven’t use them for rigging yet but I use them as a cambium saver and I love them, the rope runs so smooth, I won’t use them anymore cause they get stuck in a fork and I had to climb to get them down, I have the Buckinham cambium saver, trying the get the one with a ring and a carabiner.
 
JCJC7 said:
Ok, I’ll wait and get, the onyx, the TM or the MB. Now you said All Gear produce weak rigging rings well I get those for light rigging, I work doing line clearance, I haven’t use them for rigging yet but I use them as a cambium saver and I love them, the rope runs so smooth, I won’t use them anymore cause they get stuck in a fork and I had to climb to get them down, I have the Buckinham cambium saver, trying the get the one with a ring and a carabiner.
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I forget to post the pic.
 

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JCJC7 said:
I forget to post the pic.
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Yeah, that's a great bit of kit. My only beef is that the tenex will pick at the edges of the chaff sleeve. Look at the ABR rig and ring at treestuff.com. They use a rope that doesn't pick as much. That's the difference between All Gear and the other companies - All Gear should have identified that the sleeve will bunch as it goes over a limb, exposing the tenex. Then, they should have switched to a better rope construction. They didn't. Tenex looks sexy on the package label with the high break strength, but it loses that when it picks. This is another reason not to buy their BJ saddle - if they cannot design a ring and ring, why let them sell you a saddle? Sorry if I sound repetitive, or if it's too much.
 
JCJC7 said:
Ok, I’ll wait and get, the onyx, the TM or the MB. Now you said All Gear produce weak rigging rings well I get those for light rigging, I work doing line clearance, I haven’t use them for rigging yet but I use them as a cambium saver and I love them, the rope runs so smooth, I won’t use them anymore cause they get stuck in a fork and I had to climb to get them down, I have the Buckinham cambium saver, trying the get the one with a ring and a carabiner.
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@rico says the Tree Australia saddle is nice too. Might want to check it out as well.
 
colb said:
Yeah, that's a great bit of kit. My only beef is that the tenex will pick at the edges of the chaff sleeve. Look at the ABR rig and ring at treestuff.com. They use a rope that doesn't pick as much. That's the difference between All Gear and the other companies - All Gear should have identified that the sleeve will bunch as it goes over a limb, exposing the tenex. Then, they should have switched to a better rope construction. They didn't. Tenex looks sexy on the package label with the high break strength, but it loses that when it picks. This is another reason not to buy their BJ saddle - if they cannot design a ring and ring, why let them sell you a saddle? Sorry if I sound repetitive, or if it's too much.
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So those rigs are not good as a cambium saver? I won’t use them anymore, as I said I get them to do light rigging. I am new with those friction savers I saw the velocity and I like it, I was trying to do mine, I saw a video on YouTube but that guy was using it with SRT
 

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JCJC7 said:
So those rigs are not good as a cambium saver? I won’t use them anymore, as I said I get them to do light rigging. I am new with those friction savers I saw the velocity and I like it, I was trying to do mine, I saw a video on YouTube but that guy was using it with SRT
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The rings are good as a cambium saver, but the whole construction has a shorter lifespan than it should. The rings (check me on this) are not hard anodized to the degree that x-rigging rings are. The tenex is not designed to be frictioned across bark because it picks. The sleeve does not prevent the tenex from frictioning next to the rings. The sleeve can be drawn back for visual inspection, so once the tenex gets to frayed you can cut it off and re-use the rings to make a different sling. You can lengthen the life of the rings by occassionally rotating them inside the spliced eye so that the ropes wear randomly on the ring. The sling/cambium saver/ring and ring is not a disaster, but it's not proper either.

I need to defer to a MRT climber for advice on the cambium savers in the pictures. Personally, I would not use a caribiner in that setup because a permanent ring could achieve the same goal, but - again - not a disaster, and perhaps some strengths.

Feel free to keep asking questions and sharing with everyone. We try to keep our discussion on the original topic and we are wandering a bit, but I'm sure guys don't mind since you're new. Try searching TreeBuzz for a thread on MRT or ddrt or ring and ring anchors or tie in points or TIP. Again, it's great to have you join up - welcome.
 
TimberJack said:
I beleive some of the first xring slings were made of tenex...
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Yes, but not in that orientation for the purpose of remote installation. I have x-ring slings in tenex that I use for rigging, but I install them by climbing to the install point rather than pulling them up into a crotch.
 
So some more pictures are out and the website updated with the TM evo.

Definitely looking like an evolution. The DMN Ds do look nice and I get the design, quite slick really and well though out.

Wishing someone would put an adjustable bridge into manufacture. I know there are arguments against such and there after alternatives, but it's awfully nice.

Maybe Climbing Innovations will be the first for this?
 
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