The Body Language of Tree Workers

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Do fat forearms count?

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Ha! Easy P, of course they do, thats what all these 'industrial athletes' don't get. To be a good production climber you need at least a half inch layer of subcutaneous fat between your skin and muscle. This allows for slow energy release throughout the day - endurance - thats what it's all about.

Fat forearms. Phat forum
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Funny that, worked in D.C. a few years years back, started with a company, a week later me and Carlos are introduced to our new climber 'X'. Talked himself up bigtime, real treeclimbing hero, turned out to be a major bullsh*tter.
He volunteered to distmantle a 120ft Tulip on his 1st day, came down after 45 mins nearly crying.

Where was he from? Austin, Texas no less.

Had to teach the guy from scratch.

On a positive note he was a cool guy, small forearms as well.

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Cool, its a small world, what was the climber's name? There are a few at TB from Austin. Maybe they know him.
 
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"industrial athlete" is that PC for laborer?

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No, it's treebuzz speak for 'progressive scientific arborist' (P.S.A.)
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Cool, its a small world, what was the climber's name? There are a few at TB from Austin. Maybe they know him.

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Aaron Levy, skinhead, don't know where from in Austin, but he used to go on and on about the coolness of Austin, everyday, Austin this Austin that, great music scene blah blah blah, funny little guy, I liked him, god knows where he is now? migrant climber.

He turned out a really slow climber, we put him on the deadwooding and crown cleans etc, very methodical. He ended up climbing as if correct work positioning was a fine art form - Two anchor points at all times, even with his handsaw.
 
This is all fun, but I think everyone realises that fat forearms has nothing to do with climbing sense or ability!

Large forearms are down to genetics and/or lots of gripping activity. Some people have wiry builds and are physical workers, but they don't put on large muscle volume because of their genetic code (Unless they start popping steroids etc.).

One of my mentors had 28 yrs experience, threw around the same big saws as me, climbed much better than me. He was wiry and half my size. I'm sure I'd beat him in an arm wrestle, but thats hardly the point. This all has little to do with ergonomic activity in trees
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Fat ropes are more important to ergonomics than fat forearms.
 
Paolo

Your dedication and contribution to the industry is immense.

Your will is aligned with the holiest of attributes and even amongst the occasional tremors you always manage to stay on the straight and narrow. I personally do succumb to distractions only as I see them as an opportunity of assistance, impoverished souls do need cleansing.

For the benefit of other "lurkers" could you kindly take a look at the attached gentleman's physique which I managed to download and indicate to the rest of us if it would be inspirational to set such an arduous task?

I ask this, in all sincerity, (no different to the female modelling practices which create anorexia and bulimia) so that our fellow climbers and their protege's understand what is realistic and sensible vs an illness like our models suffer.

Thank you
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That guy looks familiar!

Paulo, why is it body builders like the guy in Addict's photo are so ill suited to treeclimbing?

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Addict your ip number(67.159.44.138) puts you firmly in Chicago, Illinois.

Are you a climber? part-time priest or a street preacher?

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Are you a climber? part-time priest or a street preacher?

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I am very active with the church and also the Youth Ministry. We occasionally are able to provide paid work experience to some lucked out young ones ... it helps build their confidence and esteem.

We also do tree work for charities and organizations at low cost on a priority basis, it's usually requested through the church and passed on to me to assess.

In my experience the big tough guys, the marcho men, the gym junkies seldom make the best ground person, or climber. They seem to lack stamina and agility. Think of it this way, how well would a wrestler or weightlifter go running the marathon?

I see an influence taking persistent measures to glorify muscle mass and gym junk physique, yes, MB. On that matter I am yet to see one shred of evidence supporting it as correct or one shred of education suggesting he even knows what he is talking about.

On the other hand, there is a gentleman by the name of TreeSpyder who was a gymnast of sorts and if anyone could comment it would be him. I have only ever seen one video of TreeSpyder doing tree work, he seemed fine to me.

He doesn't seem to be as old as MB but if there were a competition I know who I'd be praying for.

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It is a fine line to balance between strength and flexibility. Too much of one or the other can lead to problems in tree work, because both power and flexibilty are required.

For example, I was very powerful in key areas at the beginning of my rehab. but that strength was un-balanced and inflexible, leading to MSDs. First, I had to lose biased strength and gain flexibility through specific stretching and exercise. My power was lost : (

Next, an even flexibility had to be gained.

Next I had to balance strength in a bio-mechanically efficient way, across a full range of movement, balancing the major muscle groups.

Then I started to increase strength in a balanced way through all muscle groups, whilst retaining flexibility. I had to teach my mind/muscle memory a new song with lots of perfect technique practice, so that my body played the right tune without me having to read the music.

For those that play musical instruments, you'll know how difficult it is to perfect a complex tune off by heart. Its a major PITA to relearn it another way, when your fingers want to play it the old way!

Practice does not make perfect - perfect practice makes perfect!

What I'm saying is, avoid gaining problems by working with bio-mechanical efficiency. If you are going to teach yourself a skill (mind/muscle memory), make sure its an efficient one. Its not always possible, but where applied, sooner or later, you'll be thankful of it. Corrective and compensatory exercise is required to prevent problems from imbalanced tasks such as chainsaw use on the ground (designed to be used right handed).

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I am very active with the Youth Ministry

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We all have no doubt you have experience judging physiques and "guiding" youths.

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It is a fine line to balance between strength and flexibility. Too much of one or the other can lead to problems in tree work, because both power and flexibilty are required.

For example, I was very powerful in key areas at the beginning of my rehab. but that strength was un-balanced and inflexible, leading to MSDs. First, I had to lose biased strength and gain flexibility through specific stretching and exercise. My power was lost : (

Next, an even flexibility had to be gained.

Next I had to balance strength in a bio-mechanically efficient way, across a full range of movement, balancing the major muscle groups.

Then I started to increase strength in a balanced way through all muscle groups, whilst retaining flexibility. I had to teach my mind/muscle memory a new song with lots of perfect technique practice, so that my body played the right tune without me having to read the music.

For those that play musical instruments, you'll know how difficult it is to perfect a complex tune off by heart. Its a major PITA to relearn it another way, when your fingers want to play it the old way!

Practice does not make perfect - perfect practice makes perfect!

What I'm saying is, avoid gaining problems by working with bio-mechanical efficiency. If you are going to teach yourself a skill (mind/muscle memory), make sure its an efficient one. Its not always possible, but where applied, sooner or later, you'll be thankful of it. Corrective and compensatory exercise is required to prevent problems from imbalanced tasks such as chainsaw use on the ground (designed to be used right handed).

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Thanks Paulo, I beginning to see the bigger picture.
 
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We all have no doubt you have experience judging physiques and "guiding" youths.

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Nathan Sir,

Do you mind expanding on the "we all" part? From where I am sitting it appears you should have typed "I" instead.

I have worked with many groups, some much tougher than you'd ever meet, children abused by their parents left to fend for themselves from tender ages.

Lives of crime and misdemeanors, always in trouble with teachers, law, police whatever. It appears you never reconciled your problems Mr Nathan? But to pretend to gather some allies to your perverted cause is very shrewd, I dont think many would be putting their hands up to be counted as part of your entourage.

Yes the Catholic ministry has had it's cases, no different to they way Trees and Texans have had theirs, but neither way do you have the evil right to make such outlandish statements. I understand you don't even work in the tree business anymore, sell medical supplies or something to do with sales, try selling yourself for something other than being a problem child.

Good day
Gary
 
When watching climbers who like to cut lots of little branches(to make the groundies life easier) I have noticed in their body language that they are exposing their bodies to pointless and excessive stress and strain, here's what I see;

1. Standing on their spikes longer than is necessary.

2. Being suspending in an awkward position at the end of a branch.

3. Over stretching to make cuts one handed, damage to ligaments, tendons and joints in your wrists and arms.

4. Chaotic atmosphere and noise of unnessary constant chainsaw revving and cutting is detrimental to their state of mind when climbing.

5. Extremely bad for their groundie's spines as they are constantly bending down to pick up these pathetic little branches.

6. Basically, it's inefficient and against common sense -
like putting their hands into an open flame, they know it's dangerous, but they do it anyway.

That's what I see anyway.
 
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That's what I see anyway.

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I saw an efficient and safety minded climber doing a great job in the tree.
 
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Nathan Sir,

Do you mind expanding on the "we all" part? From where I am sitting it appears you should have typed "I" instead.

I have worked with many groups, some much tougher than you'd ever meet, children abused by their parents left to fend for themselves from tender ages.

Lives of crime and misdemeanors, always in trouble with teachers, law, police whatever. It appears you never reconciled your problems Mr Nathan? But to pretend to gather some allies to your perverted cause is very shrewd, I dont think many would be putting their hands up to be counted as part of your entourage.

Yes the Catholic ministry has had it's cases, no different to they way Trees and Texans have had theirs, but neither way do you have the evil right to make such outlandish statements. I understand you don't even work in the tree business anymore, sell medical supplies or something to do with sales, try selling yourself for something other than being a problem child.

Good day
Gary

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If you are going to address me personally, why don't you just PM or EMAIL? I think others on the forum would appreciate it.

It is better than self destructing for everyone to see like that ekka fellow did a few weeks ago or like that lopa fellow is doing now.

True, I hold degrees in Chemistry and Forestry and currently skim the cream off of local tree work to $$$.

Repetitive motions make lean muscles hard. Harder than ArborAddict in a playground.
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If you are going to address me personally, why don't you just PM or EMAIL? I think others on the forum would appreciate it.

It is better than self destructing for everyone to see like that ekka fellow did a few weeks ago or like that lopa fellow is doing now.

True, I hold degrees in Chemistry and Forestry and currently skim the cream off of local tree work to $$$.

Repetitive motions make lean muscles hard. Harder than ArborAddict in a playground.
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Nathan, you've travelled the world right? Mr Worldywise and all that.

Is this the best you can do? if it is, then maybe your globetrotting escapade was a waste of time.

don't you think?
 
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If you are going to address me personally, why don't you just PM or EMAIL? I think others on the forum would appreciate it.

It is better than self destructing for everyone to see like that ekka fellow did a few weeks ago or like that lopa fellow is doing now.

True, I hold degrees in Chemistry and Forestry and currently skim the cream off of local tree work to $$$.

Repetitive motions make lean muscles hard. Harder than ArborAddict in a playground.
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Nathan, you've travelled the world right? Mr Worldywise and all that.

Is this the best you can do? if it is, then maybe your globetrotting escapade was a waste of time.

don't you think?

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If you are going to address me personally, why don't you just PM or EMAIL? I think others on the forum would appreciate it.

Yes, I've been a place or 2.
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