The Best Tree Service in AR..............OH Boy

Re: The Best Tree Service in AR..............OH Bo

I'm curious if someone could explain to me the purpose of only needing chainsaw protection while on the ground. To me it seems as though you would be in more danger of cutting yourself in the tree than on the ground. Why not word it "if you are operating a chainsaw, you need chainsaw protection".

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Re: The Best Tree Service in AR..............OH Bo

it's hot
its bulky
it limits your movement
it adds extra weight in trun tiring the climber faster more likly to slip with the saw
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"if you are operating a chainsaw, you need chainsaw protection".

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cuase then you bring the whole chainsaw protection, gloves boots, jackets. I for one don't want to have to wear a 4-5 layer kevlar jacket climbing a tree, and those 15# fire kevlar boots.
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thats afew anybody have more to add
 
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When is the last time you wore a pair? I do not find them that bad. I work for a company that used to be quite old school and I have heard all those arguements before. Guess what they wear everyday now? If a pair of pants is going to make you tired maybe the fitness level of the climber should be to blame and not the pants.

WP
 
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When is the last time you wore a pair?

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I always atleast click the waist belt on my toto when running a big saw on the ground.

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Guess what they wear everyday now? If a pair of pants is going to make you tired maybe the fitness level of the climber should be to blame and not the pants.


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Good on ya AIE. Next time it's a 120 heat index you come down here Jersey and show me, don't forget your jacket and gloves.
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Re: The Best Tree Service in AR..............OH Bo

ppe= person protective equipment, keep it that way and please for the love of god, keep kevlar out of the trees, if you want to wear it, fine, no worries, but dont make others suffer for your preferances, and please, dont give me the "if you get hurt it effects everyones workmans comp rates" speech, ive heard it and nothing boils me more than being reduced to a dollar amount. im safe and effective without the kevlar

wparborist, you say that the few extra ounces shouldnt hold us back, but explain to me why everyone runs around with alluminum rings and biners when the steal ones are proven stronger and more effective. its because weight does matter, even if only a few ounces. i will agree, chainsaw chaps are MUCH better nowadays, especially if you can get your hands on some of the "euro" pants (not yet rated for U.S. standards) but, like i said, it is still extra weight
 
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Jersey weather.... it's been done.

Sorry Familytree, but to the insurance companies, we are the company we keep or better yet, we are the demographic we fit according to the actuarial charts. Like it or not. It's boils my blood that I have to pay more for that necessary insurance because of others lack of professionalism.

Now what would be nice, is a rate discount for wearing proper PPE.....
 
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Since you don´t have to wear chainsaw protectives in a tree you could very well wear the "Europeans". Try one and you will have a different wiev on the matter. I understand why you don´t climb with chaps
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but what I don´t understand is the resistance to being as safe as possible, don´t you have a family that cares if you do not care yourself??
 
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I was really just looking for the answer of why ANSI would say this...and if I have heard the answers then that is sad.

I'm really not one to buy into everything has to be super light weight, I'm no faster or less tired at the end of the day because of it. Swinging a 66 or an 88 in the tree for awhile that makes me tired, not my pants or a steel snap.

WP
 
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There has been discussions about advising the use of chainsaw leg protection while climbing. LOTS of discussion...

This is a complex issue and needs to be acted on carefully.

There is a potential trade-off in overall safety if the climber's body heats too much and their mental capacaties are compromised.

The issue was tabled and will come up again during the current revision.

Can someone share data about chainsaw injuries in the tree?

There are times when regulations are put in place to solve a problem that might not exist.
 
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Can someone share data about chainsaw injuries in the tree?

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I sure Can Tom, from the years of doing tree work I've seen about 8 total cuts IN THE TREE every cut was to the arm, hand, and one face nick (myself 1 arm shot back when I was 19, no stitches where needed just a bandage and some tape and back up. figures it was my first day with a chainsaw. I had just got the rights to use it, then they took it away for 4 months and back to a hand saw). I have never seen a leg cut. Only 4 legs I have seen was on the ground, no chaps, and drop starting saws without the break on.
 
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I can't imagine what it would be like for those of you working down south in the middle of summer, decked out in full chainsaw protection.

'course I guess we could all wear a cooling system to counter that problem.
 
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tom, you nailed it on the head with the heat issue, and that's comming from nj, I can only imagine the troubles southern climbers would have or the mid west.

As far as safety goes, I'm all for it, but only when the ppe being used doesn't create yet another hazard. I wear my gloves (in the winter) I wear my hard hat, glasses, ear plugs etc. But they never create another problem like chaps in heat do. Now that the colder climates are upon us I feel more inclined to wear them, but not for protection, but for warmth.
 
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I really don't get this whole "heat" issue? I myself wear chainsaw protective pants everyday at work and even when I am not at work, they are that comfortable. I have worked in the south, the west and in the east. I mean look at welders and miners, now they deal with heat and they wear full on PPE. I wonder if there is a documented case of someone having a heat stroke from wearing chaps? I would much rather deal with heat and sweat vs. what a chainsaw could do. Wouldn't you? Just my 2cents.
 
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Years ago I read a study that was done, in all places...Scotland, that compared people's mental and physical apptitudes at various ambient air temperatures. Test subjects wore leg pro and went through various exercises that raised their core body temp. The test was run by HSE if I remember correctly so the test was setup with proper scientific parameters.

In the end, as core body temps went up mental and physical abilities went down. I don't remember reading about a correlation between the findings and a threshold for danger to the saw user.

It would take some googling to find the study. Can anyone do the searching? I'm leaving for a few days on the road.

If people have found ways to work while wearing leg pro that is great!
 
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I cerainly won't argue that working in the heat is unpleasant and at times can become dangerous. From my experience it is the hard hat that I find most unconfortable in the heat. I would hope nobody would argue the importance of always wearing head protection. I've worked along side people that were not wearing any chainsaw protection and they certainly didn't seem to be any cooler than I was. Slow down, drink water, take a break if you need it seems like better advice than removing PPE in my opinion.


WP
 
Re: The Best Tree Service in AR..............OH Bo

Some people can take the heat a lot better than others, I for one would rather work in the winter than the summer.

But hey!, what a great way to drop a few pounds in a big hurry! I bet things get a bit stanky though.
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