Tapered Hinge: Diar(y)rhea of a thread gone wrong and left un-moderated

Use Tapered Hinge against Side Lean?

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The notch seems to have no apex. A seemingly unorthodox technique but August had a reasoning for going outside the box
 
As I understand it, the old school humboldt was more of a box cut, leaving that same wall of tall fibers on the front of the hinge (back of the face cut)...

Jerry Beranek calls it "the gap" on pg 279 of the fundamentals of General tree work..
So its been around a while.. On page 280.... "It has a peculiar knack for allowing the hinge wood to bow or fold over with the tree. you can expect better holding qualities in a hinge because of this fact.
 
Daniel said:
A logger might think that was a lot of fooling around in making the notch (chipping away with an ax and all), but when you are only putting one tree on the ground for the day and when that tree would hit a building and a fence if it went 10 degrees off the lay, then if fooling around is what it takes to make the lay 100%, it was well worth the time and energy..
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A logger wouldn’t be a logger very long if they went 10* off. I know many who take all the time needed to get the tree into the lay at any cost. These are the ones who still have jobs.
Why take the time to jack a tree? Use wedges? Blah blah..
August has worked in the woods, and knows his way around a hinge.
Blocking out a face, leaving a gap or what ever you want to call it has been around much longer than Gerald.
I personally don’t see the point of bringing this up, we are talking tapered hinge, and jacked up Dutchman’s.
 
I’m just asking what the people of this thread thought about the notch and leverage used to fell this tree. It’s a back leaner with a cut seemingly outside a traditional notch where the apex meets at a point. After 20 pages and multiple changes in titles I believe at least once something outside a Dutchman and tapered hinge was mentioned
 
Jacked up Dutchmans is a good term.... I might have to borrow that one!

Still like what Burnham said about Dent's position and change of heart on the swing Dutch... It's not that it wasn't a valuable technique.. just not reliable enough to teach... wondering if it can be reliable enough to use, but not reliable enough to teach
 
Jem4417 said:
. Thoughts on the notch at 640. Interesting video that pertains to this discussion. @August Hunicke @rico @Daniel
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Its just a big wide open undercut, where the 2 cuts don't bisect (Block cut). Like everything August does, it was done for a reason, and worked perfectly!

I often use block cuts when I want my hinge to stay intact as long as possible. Couple block undercuts for ya'

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This thread came along time. Had a small severely leaning pine (starting to pull the roots due to rain so no way I wanted to try to climb it) that needed to fall about 30° off its natural lean to avoid a neighbors tree and the clients flagstone mailbox. Used a notch and a pull rope and it rode the hinge all the way down...thanks to all.

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Daniel said:
A logger might think that was a lot of fooling around in making the notch (chipping away with an ax and all), but when you are only putting one tree on the ground for the day and when that tree would hit a building and a fence if it went 10 degrees off the lay, then if fooling around is what it takes to make the lay 100%, it was well worth the time and energy..
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Yea. The thought of a logger/timber faller using an axe at work is crazy, aint it?

Have you spent a single day of your life logging? Have you even meet a real logger or timber faller Daniel? A good faller is hitting his lay by a few inches, with a 150-200 ft tree. 10 degrees my ass.

More fucking nonsense and uniformed comments about things you have no experience with, or knowledge of!
 
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New2trees said:
This thread came along time. Had a small severely leaning pine (starting to pull the roots due to rain so no way I wanted to try to climb it) that needed to fall about 30° off its natural lean to avoid a neighbors tree and the clients flagstone mailbox. Used a notch and a pull rope and it rode the hinge all the way down...thanks to all.

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That looks like a Norway Spruce.. Very poor hinging wood... Did you take any pics of the stump, so we can see the shape of the hinge??? How did you cut it???
 
Daniel said:
That looks like a Norway Spruce.. Very poor hinging wood... Did you take any pics of the stump, so we can see the shape of the hinge??? How did you cut it???
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This was the only other picture I took of the fallen tree....the hinge never released even though it closed as it hit the driveway but you can probably see the remnants of the back of the notch which was about 1 inch in size.

PS Thanks for the tree ID Daniel, I am sure you are right....along with being little more than a pimple on an arborist's ass I am terrible at tree ID ;-)
 

Cut at 7:00 is an extreme example of the swing dutchman...hinge held all the way to horizontal.. this is over 5 years old.. just makes sense to leave the majority of hinge fibers in the most leveraged position to fight the side lean..
 
Goodness Gracious! I encourage everyone to take a close look at the butt of the top at the 6:50 mark. Is that the cutting of someone we want schooling us on the swinging dutch, tapered hinge, or any other cut for that matter? This fella can't even make a proper undercut with an undersized saw, without multiple step cuts for fuck sake! When will the madness end?
 
i think a see that the one cut was kinda close to the 2x leader
I think that is why that hinge and shards of wood is weirder looking.
I would have gone fair bit lower or made two cuts but most likely would have used the 660 with an around the world salami portuguese man of war cut:numberone:
 
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