RopeShield
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Tapered Hinge: Diar(y)rhea of a thread gone wrong and left un-moderated
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RopeShield
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- Ontario, Canada
RopeShield
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- Ontario, Canada
Don't be sorry please. @*useless info* I'm glad you did cause it gave us the opportunity to rethink and understand what it is we are doing.
Thanks
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evo
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- My Island, WA
Hey Rope, thanks for sharing this I think I will use it for training..
evo
Been here much more than a while
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- My Island, WA
Ok so I am eventually coming around to feeling the need to articulate my stance on this situation.
I have no issue with tapered hinges, just arrogance.
If Danny boy wants to make crazy cuts go for it. Just like Rico not wearing a helmet, who the hell am I to judge.
The difference is the context of how the information is presented as well how it’s defended.
Danny boy behaves as if it’s the latest greatest thing, and it’s all his invention. Hate to break it but barber chairs have been around since folks have cut trees down.
Rico for an example on the other end of the spectrum doesn’t wear a helmet when climbing. He’s not actively promoting such practices stating that it’s a expert technique that professionals use. He speaks only for himself that it’s how he learned in the woods, and feels safest. I personally disagree and will occasionally jab at my displeasure which is taken in stride. It’s not argued to death.
I’ve picked on Rope about his promotion of his throw bullet. It’s not personal, and no judgement on the tool itself. Just the presentation of it was too much. If it weren’t for the bad taste in my mouth with the promotion and the price isn’t probably have two of them by now. It stoped and Rope has grown on me a bit.
There have been a few minor moments with others, but those were fleeting.
Daniel I wish you the best, but you certainly have a chip on your shoulder and over compensate dramatically.
I appreciate every post from tree Spyder and useless, it’s constantly thought provoking if not in the clearest format.
It’s good to stir the pot and skim the filth..
I have no issue with tapered hinges, just arrogance.
If Danny boy wants to make crazy cuts go for it. Just like Rico not wearing a helmet, who the hell am I to judge.
The difference is the context of how the information is presented as well how it’s defended.
Danny boy behaves as if it’s the latest greatest thing, and it’s all his invention. Hate to break it but barber chairs have been around since folks have cut trees down.
Rico for an example on the other end of the spectrum doesn’t wear a helmet when climbing. He’s not actively promoting such practices stating that it’s a expert technique that professionals use. He speaks only for himself that it’s how he learned in the woods, and feels safest. I personally disagree and will occasionally jab at my displeasure which is taken in stride. It’s not argued to death.
I’ve picked on Rope about his promotion of his throw bullet. It’s not personal, and no judgement on the tool itself. Just the presentation of it was too much. If it weren’t for the bad taste in my mouth with the promotion and the price isn’t probably have two of them by now. It stoped and Rope has grown on me a bit.
There have been a few minor moments with others, but those were fleeting.
Daniel I wish you the best, but you certainly have a chip on your shoulder and over compensate dramatically.
I appreciate every post from tree Spyder and useless, it’s constantly thought provoking if not in the clearest format.
It’s good to stir the pot and skim the filth..
southsoundtree
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- Olympia, WA
I realized how easy it is to make a training arsenal with making YouTube playlists. It's always ready, online, anywhere.
evo
Been here much more than a while
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- My Island, WA
Direction and guidance is what is needed.. there is just so much crap on it.. cherry pick the good, and perhaps some “don’t do this”
Watched a bunch of these BC Faller Training Standard vids. Simple, solid explanations of various falling situations we see in our day to days lives. An emphasis on safety, solid cutting, and sound mechanics, these vids should be required viewing for any up and coming climbers, as well as a refresher for the more experienced. Fuck the voodoo, get the basics right first. Gotta walk before you can fly folks!
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Daniel
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
when rico writes a book, he can call this a destroyed hinge..
until then, I'll go by Dent's definitions
and call it a swing dutchman
until then, I'll go by Dent's definitions
and call it a swing dutchman
evo
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- My Island, WA
Looks like you need a little more swing in your Dutchman. Any photos of the opposite side?
Here’s a real big one I did the other day, made me think of you..
and another
A happy, fluffy place where you can share your genius without fear of castigation!
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/daniel-is-the-greatest-safe-space.39277/
southsoundtree
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- Olympia, WA
Never met the guy. Didn't Doug Dent use wedges to move his stuff, mostly. Fast pulling is a way to rely less on the hinge.
“And there is where I can offer some insight, having listened to his lectures, and even more so, stood at his side as I felled under his eye, and then endured his criticism and kudos, both.”
“So the point of all this is...by a couple of decades after his book was published, Doug had pretty much eschewed use of the swing Dutchman, in that while he was completely positive in his acknowledgement that the method worked in general terms, he also had decided that, as a method to teach, is was sufficiently unreliable to what degree the sawyer could expect so far as results, to trust much.”
This is a quote from a man who knew Doug Dent and actually fell trees with the man. It appears that Mr Dent came to realize that the Swinging Dutchy was unreliable and not trust worthy enough to teach to others. Many pro fallers that I know, as well as myself, have the exact same opinion of the Swinging Dutchman.
I would bet my life that Daniel has already read this, but it hasn’t stopped him from continuing to post pics of his dangerous hackery, which can and will get folks hurt. Please refer to “ tree company owner struck by tree” thread in the awakenings section, if you have any doubts.
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Daniel
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oh no!
NOT AGAIN!
Dent put it in his book, then changed his mind and considered it too unreliable to teach....
I simply want to know why???
Why it works sometimes and why it doesn't other times.. I use it in low or no risk situations and take photos as reminders and for potential study... That's not going to kill anyo0ne.. You on the other hand sound certifiable ...
NOT AGAIN!
Dent put it in his book, then changed his mind and considered it too unreliable to teach....
I simply want to know why???
Why it works sometimes and why it doesn't other times.. I use it in low or no risk situations and take photos as reminders and for potential study... That's not going to kill anyo0ne.. You on the other hand sound certifiable ...
Certifiable? Really? My consistent mantra has been that cuts like the Swing Dutch are unpredictable and unreliable, and we have much better options at our disposal. It turns out the man who basically invented the cut and taught it to others agrees.
You on the other have had ever changing storylines, and never ending pics/vids of gawd awful cutting practices. Doing all this while simultaneously selling yourself as some sort of authority on the subject. Unfortunately the reality is that you are a hack charlatan, selling snake oil, and that WILL get someone hurt. Plain and simple!
You on the other have had ever changing storylines, and never ending pics/vids of gawd awful cutting practices. Doing all this while simultaneously selling yourself as some sort of authority on the subject. Unfortunately the reality is that you are a hack charlatan, selling snake oil, and that WILL get someone hurt. Plain and simple!
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Jem4417
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Daniel
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- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
Excellent find...
I too like to bisect the notch but mostly when working with a short bar.
And I like to leave length to the front of the hinge fibers by by creating a column of tall fibers at the apex of the notch... I believe tall fibers in the front of the hinge offers a lot more control in certain falling scenarios, though can't say exactly which ones, so it makes sense to use it as SOP whenever there is a challenging scenario.
And I like to use multiple pull lines, set high, and tons of pulling power to leave super fat hinges, especially on poor hinging species, like cottonwood.
You could hear that hinge squeak all the way to the ground... EXCELLENT holding ability there...
A logger might think that was a lot of fooling around in making the notch (chipping away with an ax and all), but when you are only putting one tree on the ground for the day and when that tree would hit a building and a fence if it went 10 degrees off the lay, then if fooling around is what it takes to make the lay 100%, it was well worth the time and energy..
I too like to bisect the notch but mostly when working with a short bar.
And I like to leave length to the front of the hinge fibers by by creating a column of tall fibers at the apex of the notch... I believe tall fibers in the front of the hinge offers a lot more control in certain falling scenarios, though can't say exactly which ones, so it makes sense to use it as SOP whenever there is a challenging scenario.
And I like to use multiple pull lines, set high, and tons of pulling power to leave super fat hinges, especially on poor hinging species, like cottonwood.
You could hear that hinge squeak all the way to the ground... EXCELLENT holding ability there...
A logger might think that was a lot of fooling around in making the notch (chipping away with an ax and all), but when you are only putting one tree on the ground for the day and when that tree would hit a building and a fence if it went 10 degrees off the lay, then if fooling around is what it takes to make the lay 100%, it was well worth the time and energy..
