Super Quick 3:1

Tom, the climber next to me on a big climb last Thursday tied a Klemheist on his line, hung a micropulley from it, set his tail for a 3:1 then made his rapell. When he started his ascent, he discovered that he had not dressed his hitch well enough, causing it to slide down the line opposed to him going up. This was what really stressed me trying to figure this puzzle out.

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moss said:
Tom, more so than any Petzl toothed cam ascender? It's clearly terrible as a standalone ascender but as a supplementary device that doesn't see any more load than say a Pantin, is there a difference?
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When it first came out I used it as an ascender. It picked the sheath of my 7/16" KMIII like a cat! I realized that it wasn't meant to be used like that though so it wasn't a tool that I wanted. If I were to need a compact, light weight ascender for a specific application I'd consider it. Like a minimalist or long carry/wilderness climb. But not for everyday use when I count gear weight in pounds not ounces.

For the application here, 3:1 haulback, it would be a decent choice. Like others have said, I try to multi-use gear. There is always an eye/eye New England Tech Cord sling on my harness for this application and many others too.
 
Tyler Durden said:
... he discovered that he had not dressed his hitch well enough, causing it to slide down the line opposed to him going up. This was what really stressed me trying to figure this puzzle out.
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This is a climber failure not a gear failure. Tie-Dress-Set

Too often I see climbers using the wrong cord/web loop for this application. Another reason I like using New England Tech Cord...small diameter and it chokes down hard on climbing line.
 
I just tested my Tibloc for a 3:1 redirect anchor point, slides up easily. I may use it for this purpose (returning from a deep limbwalk), I'll test it anyway. Nothing against the thimble prusik, obviously a great tool. I have a tether on my Tibloc to make it easier to handle, definitely an easily dropped piece of gear. I have another use for the Tibloc so it is multi-purpose at least for me. I posted a vid on that use 3 years ago, it's basically to make a quick hold on my main rope when I'm setting a redirect and don't want all my weight on the redirect location while I'm setting it up. The Tibloc combined with a tether keeps part of my weight on the main rope during the redirect setup transition. This can also be done with a thimble prusik or tech cord prusik as Tom mentioned. The Tibloc grabs immediately on a tensioned line whereas a hitch doesn't as set as well on a tensioned line, takes a little more fidgeting to set it.

This is all academic because most climbers have zero taste for using a Tibloc, just pointing out it can be used safely for certain configurations and doesn't need to be rejected out-of-hand because of its well-deserved poor reputation as a primary ascent device.
-AJ
 
Thanks for trying that out for me Moss.
SingleJack that is the effect I am looking for, in the most compact package possible

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John_KAYS said:
I think you are hilarious. And you definitely win with the thimble prusik. :fuckyou: The one thing the prusik can't do is work as a bridge length adjuster. I need to get the official thimble prusik to see just how right you are. I have a homemade one and I also have the sterling adjustable loop with the soft tighten-able eye sort of feature.
I have the Roll N Lock with me always as a bridge adjuster and I love it, but that doesn't make it best for everything. I think it is bester than the Tribilock though!:rayos:

And this is what I think of you -> (y)


...:) what was my intention? so very unclear...:sisi::endesacuerdo:
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So we can pretty much all agree...
:fuckyou: the Tiberianbok, in most cases!

Also, you are totally correct about the cam style units (Kong Duck, CT Roll 'n Lock) being best for a bridge adjuster. I don't think a prusik can top it there, but I haven't tried every possibility. What leads me away from trying is the prusik being inside the rigging plates of the saddle, or in the area where he swivel/bridge ring could inadvertently come in contact with it and maybe even cause an undesired adjustment. I ran an adjustable bridge for long enough to realize that I don't want a short bridge often enough to warrant living with the adjuster that constantly argued with good orientation of my lanyard carabiner. My lanyard lives in the lower D's and takes precedence over the adjustable bridge for now. I also realized that if I wanted an adjustable bridge for anything, it would be to make it considerably longer for climbs when I want to fly without any gear and rely on footlocking. This way my feet can grab a much closer lock to my hands than with any other bridge config.

Derail over...Thimble Prusik in the house, y'all!:numberone:

EDIT: On second thought, the cam interfered on the Onyx, but I don't remember it being bad on the TM. Maybe I should put it back on there and try again sooner than later.
 
I just thought to myself; fixed plate pulley girth hitched to a prussik loop, but I quickly shot it down in my own head. That would be too sloppy I think. I want something as fast and simple as that "FixieCroll", but smaller and lighter. I need to work out the same concept using a rollnlock and a quickie maybe.

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Tyler Durden said:
.... I need to work out the same concept using a rollnlock ...
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The CT Roll n Lock is particularly well suited for what you are trying to achieve. It is a multi function tool that has many other uses and it is tiny. Its ability to lock out the cam really is a plus. A small prusic loop, though strong and reliable, can not do as many things. Take a strong look at the Petzl Rollclip. Combining the two would be a slick setup.
 
I think the RollNLock is going to be the winner. I just don't see a pulley being that beneficial in this application, not enough to add it to the mix over a oval 'biener I already have hanging on my back, any way.

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Tyler Durden said:
I just thought to myself; fixed plate pulley girth hitched to a prussik loop, but I quickly shot it down in my own head. That would be too sloppy I think. I want something as fast and simple as that "FixieCroll", but smaller and lighter. I need to work out the same concept using a rollnlock and a quickie maybe.

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I like your quickie idea...definitely smaller than a carabiner but I still think the carabiner would be quickier.;)
 
Kong hand ascender and Revolver always goes with me. 3:1 can easily be 5:1pick off or to help climbers attached to a zip line , or 6:1 climbing. This works just as well on the tail of my SRT climbing line that had a DdRT system on the tail.
The hand ascender also gives me extra grip if the rope is wet, or long ascent or protection from sliding dead wood or wild tosses with a throw weight above a big top multiscender.

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