SRT Re-Tie Ins ???

richhoffman

richhoffman

Just wondering how you guys handle re tying in on big prunes using SRT. Seems simple when tying off the bottom of the tree. What about when you are using a running bowline to tie in with ???
 
Set from the ground? I suppose you could, but it might be tricky.
Best compromise for me if I don't want to keep the basal anchor for some reason, is to start with that, and change to a top retrievable tie-in once up there.
You could do this remotely too if you can remember how to install the friction saver from the ground. You tie an alpine butterfly on the loose end at the friction saver. I add a biner too just for moral support. Then you can just pull it all out after climbing. If you don't have enough tail on the rope you can make it retrievable by attaching a throwline to a shorter tail.
 
This is one of the things that keeps me from using SRT day in and day out. Ground tie isn't reallly an option if you move your TIP a lot.

If I am doing SRT and I have an inkling that I'll reset my line (which is practically always) I will choke the TIP and set up a ground retrieval when I get to the top.
 
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This is one of the things that keeps me from using SRT day in and day out. Ground tie isn't reallly an option if you move your TIP a lot.

If I am doing SRT and I have an inkling that I'll reset my line (which is practically always) I will choke the TIP and set up a ground retrieval when I get to the top.

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Nick, for working SRT I've been setting the anchor mid-crown and then re-directing up to wherever I need to go in the tree. On the way out of the tree I take out the anchor or set it up so I can take it out easily once I'm on the ground. Advantage of setting the anchor mid-crown is if you do have to move it you don't have to go back to the ground.
-AJ
 
For many years I'fve used a basal tie-off and moved my PSP to wherever suits me. The main short-coming is that slacking off the load can lead to 'flop-factor' or some other misfunction of the basal anchor. Having groundies who know how to reset the basal anchor is mandatory.
 
I pretty much hate doing ground ties. I hate when I get up to the TIP and the and the stretch sucks my climbing equipment over the TIP.

Tom, what's PSP?
 
Ok, for me i use a double fig 8 tie in so what i'll do is go up choose the best TIP to do most my work from (as well as anything that i can do by redirecting) but what i do is leave a long tail on the double fig8 so it reaches down to a central point so once i have done every thing possible by climbing and redirects, i'll goto my long tail and take it with me to my next TIP lanyard in, pull it out and retie, same thing dub fig8 with a long tail and just keep working that way. Srt climbing takes way more planning and thought and istill make mistakes but the more you do it the better you will get ;)
 
PSP= Primary Support Point

A term that was coined during writing the SRT Manual. It better describes what the rope support point is for SRT. If a basal anchor is used the place where the rope redirects and supports the climber isn't really a TIP so we came up with this term.
 
Duh... ignore me. my suggestion made no sense because I thought the original post was more like

re: tie-in,

...and not re-tie-in.

but to salvage something of my mis-directed post, setting a retrievable high anchor would also work this way. you could retrieve it up in the tree without having to go to back to it if you bring the tail of the rope with you to your new point. Not as slick and easy as DdRT though because you have to shuck more rope.

I like the other suggestions here.
 
Before the SRT crazy! The climber moved and reset the tie in as work proceeded thru tree. The SRT syle can be used the same way. Experiment with cinch tie in's. Find what works for you and go.
Nothing against base anchors. Have used this some. Just not my main style.
 
I need some pointers. As far as I can see, DRT has the competition beat down in the re-tie dept. If you choke tie, you have to bring this other tail with you through out the tree. In DRT, is there with you the whole time and it is under control.

How do you guys manage it?
 
I only retie when i run out of rope. I ask the ground person to untie me, i pull my line through and have my gp tie me up again. Ussually occurs going tree to tree to tree. In one tree i just redirect and redirect. I really love base tying, i dont have a problem with it.
 
Hey treebing, do you ever need to re-trace your route to eliminate re-directs? I find that with a base tie I have difficulty pulling my line after three, sometimes only two, redirects. Maybe you got a trick for pulling your line you could let me in on?
 
I try to keep them in as straight a line as possible. Avoid 90 bends or wraps around the stem. Its all about planning. Sometimes i do need to put in the ascenders to pull it out. Avoid trying to pull the spliced end through as well.
 
It seems that I can do LESS redirects that I could with DRT. I did 2 redirects yesterday and had to give it all I had to get the rope out of the tree. I feel like in DRT it woulda been a steady pull, but not me having to foolock up the rope and bounce down on it as hard as I could....

I'll keep trying.
 
Nick, I would recommend you to use a Rr FC, with a Alpine Butterfly against the small ring. I tried to retrieve once with the method you are describing and vowed to never do it again. I posted about it in an older RW thread, but I was using a throwline for retrieval. Talk about a pain. Only 2 redirects and I had to wrap a biner around the throwline and hang on it. The problem is the amount of friction around the branch of the main TIP.

My suggestion to you is to set up and ascend as you are with your canopy tie system, but when you reach your TIP, install a mid-line attachable E2E. Use the E2E with an oval biner in each eye, and one biner loaded with a Pinto pulley. Put your stopper knot behind the Pinto...climb away...

When you retrieve this you will have a TOTALLY different experience.
 
On second thought, you've already isolated the limb if you're sending up a cinching knot, so just set up a normal Rr from the ground and send up a stopper knot in 1 of 2 ways:

1) leaving enough of the climbing line tail for retrieval.

2) Tying the stopper near the end of the climbing line and attach a retrieval line to the stopper, etc...
 
Stopper knot in friction saver only real way to allow for multiple redirects

the only other way is to have a continuous loop with your tail tied to the running bowline. this allow you to take your retrieval line but you also have to be careful to not snag your loop.

myself I am not as much of a fan of SRT without the base tie. If your going to go through all the efoort of isolating and installing equipment into the tree, and then not have the freedom of redirecting at will... you might as well climb double line. working the inside of the tree is easier double line anyway.

I think the base tie allows for so much. Unless its a removal, or something sketchy and big is going on, I probably have a basal tie.
 
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