srt cut rope

i hardly ever use a canopy tie for anything but removals or large rigging projects. I still don't get them, it seems as if i might as well climb ddrt if I were to eliminate the base tie from my arsenal. I find I can get a much higher redirect in the tree using a base tie because of my ability to spread the load around the canopy. I almost never have less then three or four redirects during any given climb, even the little bittys. I enjoy working out the angles and getting the force oriented in compression and getting my final working redirect as high as heavenly possible. I just don't see being able to do that with a canopy tie. One, a high canopy tie followed by a redirect puts side load on that canopy tie and forces are not oriented down the stem as much. I like to get my base tie out of the work zone as much as possible, many times to another tree. the wider the angle the better. I just haven't found a canopy anchor that works for me and allows me retrieval without serious headache. Two base ties is obviously better than one! I do yuse a canopy tie here and there, when the situation calls for it, but for the most part i don't get along with them.
 
I like canopy ties for some things and basal anchors for others, so am not going to take sides. But I can think of several cases where basal anchors came in handy. For example, this last week we were teaching a climbing class and one of the kids got his hair stuck in the Rope Runner. It took about 30 seconds to lower him on the basal anchor because we had it set up for a lowering rescue.
 
TimBr said:
I've always used a base tie for climbing SRT, though my time in the saddle is but a small fraction of you working pros. Maybe you folks can clear something up for me.

When you do a canopy tie, are you necessarily forced to once again isolate a single branch as a tie-in point? Or do you sometimes not care if the rope goes around a bunch of limbs? Two of the advantages of the base tie are ground retrievability, and being able to go over a larger number of branches, which share the load of the climber's weight, as well as provide "backups" in the event of a branch breaking out.

I do not think I would wish to hang my life off of a single branch anymore, now that I've experienced the load sharing qualities of climbing SRT.

I guess that is one of the main things that has held me back from wanting to try a canopy cinch; not wanting to go back to the days of having to isolate a branch. That, and loss of the possibility of simple ground rescue, by just undoing a stopper knot and cranking on the handle of a Trango Cinch.

Thanks in advance for any comments anyone wishes to make.

Tim
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One of my strategies for infinitely switching back and forth from SRT to DdRT for certain cuts is quite simple;
- Begin with a base anchored system.
- Bring a thimble Prusik along for the climb.
- If a cut is required near the anchor leg of line, climb a meter above the cut and attach the thimble Prusik around the anchor leg of rope (roughly at saddle bridge height). Attach thimble to saddle bridge.
- Descend to cut location by operating multiscender, which slacks out the anchor leg of rope and creates a DdRT system.
- Lanyard in and perform cut.
- Descend by operating Prusik to tighten anchor leg. Remove Prusik from bridge and rope and return to SRT.
 
monkeylove said:
Nice Eric, never thought about that trick. Very cool.
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Works a treat. Another trick is to just add a biner to the bridge swivel and then trap the anchor leg in it, just to hold it out of harm's way while making a cut. You'd fall into the lanyard if the line was cut, but it leaves two hands available for the work, which is the real point.
 
That trick or something very similar is what I do now when neeeded. I really like the ability of the first trick to add slack into the system and just get the anchor side further away.
 
96coal449 said:
Hope he's okay. Hearing about all these recent SRT accidents has me questioning learning it.
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SRT is like any other tool. It has a purpose and provides great benefits, but only when used safely and correctly. And climbing SRT doesn't eliminate the need to make entry to the tree from a suitable, reliable branch union and then rope advance to your final and INSPECTED tie in point.

To quote @sherwood7, "It's old school buddy" and it works.
 
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