Show off them splices

[Sgriff]

i got the wrong size something,ended up putting tube and bungee on the outside,should workout,few ziptyes and couple stitches whatever...

 

[JonesClimber]

So here is the first try at a 16 strand in Samson Blue Streak. The rope was a used 60ft piece I used for short climbs, so it was tight. I had to wait for my ABR Wire Fid from TreeStuff to come in before I attempted this from reading through this whole thread, since I knew my Samson Fids were not going to be up to the task.

So I got started and everything was going fine until it was time to bury the sheath back into the rope, this is where I found out the wire fid was not long enough to do it in one pass. So I decided to try and push the 3/8" fid through the rope instead of the 1/2", since I knew it was going to be super tight at the crossover. Everything was going fine until I hit the crossover, that is when everything went south. First thing was me bending my pusher from how tight the crossover was with the fid in there.

I was able to work it by hand for about 30 mins until my hands gave out and I realized this was a futile effort. I was able to get it about half the way from mark C to mark D, but I don't see it going any further. I ended up cutting it off at the fid, so now I have about a 57' rope. DOH. Any hints, criticism, or help is appreciated. I am now looking at the Toss Wand - Arborist length... Any yea or ney on this?

 

[Dave Rohach]

The Toss Wand, is a great tool, but the string snare will not handle a lot of pulling, that's why I went to wire snares instead. They're really strong and can handle a lot more tugging and force. Used rope is a real pain in the A$$ to splice, as you're finding out.
Best of luck!
Dave6390


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[Sgriff]

It looks as if you did not taper your tail reduction,making your "crossover" jam

 

[Dave Rohach]

I thought the same thing the taper is really extreme, you're suppose to count down 8 picks and 5 after that times 4, so a total of 10 strands are removed.


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[Sgriff]

Looks like they were all cut at same location vs tapering,right?

 

[Dave Rohach]

Yes, its not tapered properly, that's why you're having so many problems with the final 3-4". Once you get the tail out, I use my vise to hold the tail and a winch to set the final few inches.
Dave6390


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[Sgriff]

I find with little extra length added to the tail and a little extra taper,this is one of th easiest splices to execute,cut the excess off after you bury,i do it by hand sitting on the couch when i taper as described.

 

[RajElectric]

+1 on following the taper, I use piano wire and a bench vise for 16 strands.

 

[Dave Rohach]

Works every time! How have you been fellow Buzzer? You staying busy?


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[Sgriff]

Tryed out my knee ascender and hh2 today,I need to figure out a tending choice cause its nice but hard on the hands compared to the rw imo,any input welcome please

 

[RajElectric]

As in what sort of tending strap?

 

[Sgriff]

Yea,or even what exactly needs to be pulled up on by the tending strap,i was just keeping one hand under the setup and pushing it up with me.

 

[RajElectric]

I sewn up a leather and webbing strap, with a metal insert to keep it U shaped. I like neck loops, so I sewn one onto my shirt, I hardly feel it, a small wiregate connects the two.

 

[Sgriff]

Ok i see,interesting,thanks for that last pic lol.

I guess I'll search around and see what folks are doin as well.

 

[JTree]

For 16 strand, I use a wire fid about 18" long made out of piano wire attached to a retired carabiner. Also, I don't do the bury all at one time. I take it in three stages.

First stage, I bury just enough to get the tapered portion stuffed. When you get to the point where the untapered rope is getting buried, I stop pulling and start snatching at it by attaching a short loop runner into the carabiner allowing me to get a little momentum going before the loop catches creating a little shock load.

Second bury, I go to about 2 inches before the "crossover" area. It goes easy because it's all thin at this point and it's going through straight up hollow cover.

For the third stage, I carefully pretension all the core strands the same amount, then tie the core strands to my ball hitch with a clove hitch. This way, when I start pulling the fid, the cover opens up and allows the final part to go.


I can get a 16 strand splice done in about 30 min and I feel pretty good about that. If I had never climbed on 16 strand and learned to love it before I started splicing, I probably never would have fought to learn to splice it. By far my least favorite rope type to splice.

Hope that helps. It took me a while to get it down, unlike double braid. With double braid, all it took was screwing up 2 splices and after that I've been golden. I failed 4 16 strand splices before I figured out how to use mechanical advantage and about 10 more after that to do it by hand consistently.

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[RajElectric]

Ok i see,interesting,thanks for that last pic lol.

I guess I'll search around and see what folks are doin as well.

I have one of those tending straps from treestuff, seems to slide down on the biner. I like the leather, keeps the HH body and biner properly orientated no matter what happens.

 

[JonesClimber]

Thanks all. The Samson Splicing manual says count 5 strands from mark A and then mark the 5th one for a total of 5 pairs. I might have missed one set. I will give it another try. Curious what size piano wire some of you are using? Thanks again for the help.

 

[JeffGu]

.040 works good

 

[JonesClimber]

.040 works good

Thanks, I'm on the hunt.