Show off them splices

Dave Rohach said:
The Toss Wand, is a great tool, but the string snare will not handle a lot of pulling, that's why I went to wire snares instead. They're really strong and can handle a lot more tugging and force. Used rope is a real pain in the A$$ to splice, as you're finding out.
Best of luck!
Dave6390
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The Yale wire one?
 
It looks as if you cut them all 5 picks from mark A,you cut a PAIR at that point and count 5 picks more and cut the 5th PAIR on that count,and do that till you have 5 PAIRS of strands pulled ,cut them just before they bury to avoid unraveling,idk if im making sense [emoji16]
i also measure out extra tail length to give me more to tug on,just be sure and cut the same amount of extra length if you add it
 
Sgriff said:
It looks as if you cut them all 5 picks from mark A,you cut a PAIR at that point and count 5 picks more and cut the 5th PAIR on that count,and do that till you have 5 PAIRS of strands pulled ,cut them just before they bury to avoid unraveling,idk if im making sense [emoji16]
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Yeah it does, I have the manual right here.
 
I'm the one that mentioned the wire snare for the Toss Wand, the string snares don't last very long if you're not patient, the wire will let you be a bit more aggressive with your pulling. The #1 fact about 16-strand, don't cut the pulled out strands until they are ready to be pulled into the eye ( mark B ) from the bitter end of the rope. Does this make sense to you? I've spliced over 150 16-strand eyes, RajElectric is right, 30 minutes max from start to finish. All that's left is lock stitching and whipping, I put 3:1 clear heat shrink over all of my splices.
Best of Luck, Dave6390


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Dave Rohach said:
I'm the one that mentioned the wire snare for the Toss Wand, the string snares don't last very long if you're not patient, the wire will let you be a bit more aggressive with your pulling. The #1 fact about 16-strand, don't cut the pulled out strands until they are ready to be pulled into the eye ( mark B ) from the bitter end of the rope. Does this make sense to you? I've spliced over 150 16-strand eyes, RajElectric is right, 30 minutes max from start to finish. All that's left is lock stitching and whipping, I put 3:1 clear heat shrink over all of my splices.
Best of Luck, Dave6390
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I'm tracking now, I did cut the strands when it the entered the bury, but I missed a pair so that accounts for some of the extra bulk, I believe. What size wire did you use with the wand?
 
I talk to Brion Toss and Sue pretty regularly, they sell the string snares for 4-6$ and the wire ones for 6-7$, I buy them by the dozen. I have 3 of his wands. The X-small, small, & medium. If I'm not cutting trees or splitting, I'm splicing everything from E2E's to climbing and rigging ropes. It keeps me from going postal on idiots I run into.


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I don't use the toss wands anymore, but when I did I used to braid my own snares out of extra dyneeda fibers I had laying around.

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I mentioned earlier in the thread I screwed up on an eye-eye..... the eyes themselves were fine, but I had too much core in the whole thing. Anyway, I sliced up one side to show the inside of the eye splice. The slices aren't perfectly uniform.... even with a fresh razor blade the Arbpro doesn't exactly chop up nicely like a carrot.

Double braid splice anatomy-
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Slices from top to bottom:
1. First slice is close to the base of the eye. The tapered core tail is on the left, though it hasn't tapered much yet.
2. You can see the core tail tapering here. The inner cover on the right eventually gets buried back into the core.
3. Core tail continuing to taper
4. Core tail almost gone
5. Core tail is gone here but probably disappeared between previous slice and this one. You can also see the cover on the right crossing over back into the core. I'm not sure why this is this far down- I did stitch the crossover on this one. I'm guessing things just get pulled in deeper when doing final buries and such.
6. Cover tapers until it eventually disappears.... I didn't cut enough slices to get to where it goes away completely, but you can see the taper in these slices.
 
JTree said:
For 16 strand, I use a wire fid about 18" long made out of piano wire attached to a retired carabiner. Also, I don't do the bury all at one time. I take it in three stages.

First stage, I bury just enough to get the tapered portion stuffed. When you get to the point where the untapered rope is getting buried, I stop pulling and start snatching at it by attaching a short loop runner into the carabiner allowing me to get a little momentum going before the loop catches creating a little shock load.

Second bury, I go to about 2 inches before the "crossover" area. It goes easy because it's all thin at this point and it's going through straight up hollow cover.

For the third stage, I carefully pretension all the core strands the same amount, then tie the core strands to my ball hitch with a clove hitch. This way, when I start pulling the fid, the cover opens up and allows the final part to go.


I can get a 16 strand splice done in about 30 min and I feel pretty good about that. If I had never climbed on 16 strand and learned to love it before I started splicing, I probably never would have fought to learn to splice it. By far my least favorite rope type to splice.

Hope that helps. It took me a while to get it down, unlike double braid. With double braid, all it took was screwing up 2 splices and after that I've been golden. I failed 4 16 strand splices before I figured out how to use mechanical advantage and about 10 more after that to do it by hand consistently.

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Hey, JTree! I have not yet tried to splice rope, so a lot of what you wrote in your post is beyond my ability to understand or relate to what you've written. I want to say thanks for taking the time and effort of putting your experiences down for future reference, especially for something that you found so difficult to accomplish.

The folks who find a task difficult but manage to find an effective way to accomplish it probably make the best teachers, because they are aware of the parts of a process that cause problems along the way, and the things that need to be done to work past those problems.

This is my long-winded way of thanking you in advance, for the day when I attempt to splice a sixteen strand rope. I know your advice will be invaluable at that point.

Tim
 
Very useful cordage! I used to use it for my climbing hitch, but didn't like how fast it wore out. Use it for all manner of other things still, but I'm lovin' epicord for climbing.

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