rope runner

Sounds good, Devon.
Nice (from an aesthetic sense) to also see that excellent color coordination between the RR and your climbing line. Top drawer.
(hint: I think your RR will also match my new Marlow blue venom)
 
deevo said:
Ok sorry Dave ! I was just still excited about it after using it I guess ! Next time we see each other I'll bring it along for you to try ! But promise me you won't drive away with it afterwards !!! After trying the bulldog bone and tree fongus version which were nice, the RR just seems to have a perfect balance of everything ! If the wind dies down I might go for another climb on a bigger tree soon!

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Hey, deevo! You seem to imply in this post that you had the chance to use the Compact Bulldog Bone before you used the Rope Runner, and that for some reason you seem to prefer the Rope Runner. Could you shed some light on this, maybe by describing what was different one from the other, to make you feel this way?

Also, what is this "tree fongus version" of something, that you referred to in this post?

Also, still waiting on an answer to the question of removing and re-installing the Rope Runner from the rope during a redirect. Stay safe, though, obviously; have a backup descent method ready in case parts of the Rope Runner get dropped.

Thanks in advance for any answers you choose to give. Sorry if I seem like a nag. I just really value your opinion, because I find it easy to put myself into your shoes. A climber who's been using the Rope Runner for a long time may think about it in a different way than someone who is brand new to it. So I'm really interested to hear how well it goes for you, because you are right now in the position I'll be in if and when I manage to acquire one.

Thanks again.

Tim
 
Worthaug said:
It's cumbersome and annoying, but the runner is so smooth! I've learned to never take it off the rope while climbing and slide it on the non spliced end of my lines so I don't have to take it apart.

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
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Reed, thanks for taking the time to post this comment. I do find this to be a bit of a bummer, since it implies that even a really experienced climber like yourself finds it to be too troublesome or problematic to remove and replace the Rope Runner while in the tree.

When you say " I've learned to never take it off the rope while climbing", is that because you suffered an incident in which you dropped a piece of the Rope Runner while attempting to remove it from the rope?

I guess I was hoping to find out that there is someone out there who is comfortable with removing and replacing the Rope Runner while in the tree, as ease of doing redirects is fairly high on my list of things I need to improve upon.

Thanks in advance for any answers you choose to give.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
Reed, thanks for taking the time to post this comment. I do find this to be a bit of a bummer, since it implies that even a really experienced climber like yourself finds it to be too troublesome or problematic to remove and replace the Rope Runner while in the tree.

When you say " I've learned to never take it off the rope while climbing", is that because you suffered an incident in which you dropped a piece of the Rope Runner while attempting to remove it from the rope?

I guess I was hoping to find out that there is someone out there who is comfortable with removing and replacing the Rope Runner while in the tree, as ease of doing redirects is fairly high on my list of things I need to improve upon.

Thanks in advance for any answers you choose to give.

Tim
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I just don't take it off cause its annoying to, but I have. In the 20 years I've been climbing rock and the 8 years in trees I have never accidentally dropped any gear. Prolly will tomorrow... [emoji12]

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Worthaug said:
I just don't take it off cause its annoying to, but I have. In the 20 years I've been climbing rock and the 8 years in trees I have never accidentally dropped any gear. Prolly will tomorrow... [emoji12]

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No shit.. That's an impeccable record..In fifteen years in trees i dropped a few things.. The other day I mishandled a speedline sling and dropped it on a shed roof. Lucky it wasn't the glass greenhouse from the job before. Sorry for derail. Ignore this shit... Cheers to sticky fingers
 
Treetopflyer said:
No shit.. That's an impeccable record..In fifteen years in trees i dropped a few things.. The other day I mishandled a speedline sling and dropped it on a shed roof. Lucky it wasn't the glass greenhouse from the job before. Sorry for derail. Ignore this shit... Cheers to sticky fingers
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I have dropped my water bottle... actually the lid came unscrewed.

Reed Wortley
CTSP #01739
ISA CA #SO-6953A
 
Treetopflyer said:
No shit.. That's an impeccable record..In fifteen years in trees i dropped a few things.. The other day I mishandled a speedline sling and dropped it on a shed roof. Lucky it wasn't the glass greenhouse from the job before. Sorry for derail. Ignore this shit... Cheers to sticky fingers
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No derail. Glad to hear about all of these related issues.

Tim
 
Worthaug said:
I just don't take it off cause its annoying to, but I have. In the 20 years I've been climbing rock and the 8 years in trees I have never accidentally dropped any gear. Prolly will tomorrow... [emoji12]

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Ne tree sent me a nifty slic pin tool but I'd still rather not take it off the line.

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So, it sounds like you've figured out a way of operating with the Rope Runner that keeps you from dropping pieces/parts, but that it is just too "fiddely" to try to do so, and you just don't want to mess with it. Is that fair to say?

Also, if you don't like taking it off of the rope, how do you typically handle the need to do redirects?

Thanks again in advance for any answers you choose to provide.

Tim
 
It has something to it. It is rare that i need to look up a word but....

It was a great pleasure meeting you too.

Maybe I can come up to planet Pelorus when you are working sometime and help out and steal some of your secrets.

Meeting Thomas (ropeshield) was great too.

Im inspired. Anybody else around Hamilton interested in a climb?
 
TimBr said:
Hey, deevo! You seem to imply in this post that you had the chance to use the Compact Bulldog Bone before you used the Rope Runner, and that for some reason you seem to prefer the Rope Runner. Could you shed some light on this, maybe by describing what was different one from the other, to make you feel this way?

Also, what is this "tree fongus version" of something, that you referred to in this post?

Also, still waiting on an answer to the question of removing and re-installing the Rope Runner from the rope during a redirect. Stay safe, though, obviously; have a backup descent method ready in case parts of the Rope Runner get dropped.

Thanks in advance for any answers you choose to give. Sorry if I seem like a nag. I just really value your opinion, because I find it easy to put myself into your shoes. A climber who's been using the Rope Runner for a long time may think about it in a different way than someone who is brand new to it. So I'm really interested to hear how well it goes for you, because you are right now in the position I'll be in if and when I manage to acquire one.

Thanks again.

Tim
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Hey Tim yeah I used Gavin's BDB and his own which he put a pulley on the bottom which was nice, I liked it, but I had already ordered the rope runner last week. You have to pull down a bit harder to descend on the BDB but with everything I'm sure once your comfortable will be a bit easier, the RR I found was quite smoother, but again I've only climbed on each once. On the subject of removing for redirects I don't know I've never taken my HH off on single rope ever and had to put it back on in the tree so not sure I'd ever have to with the rope runner, that link to the https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=348&item=1890 is a nice addition for canopy anchors for sure, I played around with it just like on Dan's video and seemed to work great and really simple for advancing and getting the highest and best TIP that's probably what you should be aiming for, I don't know maybe it's our trees here but I don't see a need to be taking apart the RR in the tree.
 
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Hey Tim yeah I used Gavin's BDB and his own which he put a pulley on the bottom which was nice, I liked it, but I had already ordered the rope runner last week. You have to pull down a bit harder to descend on the BDB but with everything I'm sure once your comfortable will be a bit easier, the RR I found was quite smoother, but again I've only climbed on each once. On the subject of removing for redirects I don't know I've never taken my HH off on single rope ever and had to put it back on in the tree so not sure I'd ever have to with the rope runner, that link to the https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=348&item=1890 is a nice addition for canopy anchors for sure, I played around with it just like on Dan's video and seemed to work great and really simple for advancing and getting the highest and best TIP that's probably what you should be aiming for, I don't know maybe it's our trees here but I don't see a need to be taking apart the RR in the tree.
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Hey, deevo, thanks a lot for taking the time to provide such a thorough answer. Thanks for pointing out the link to that product used by Daniel Holliday in his video. As usual with me, I'll need to watch it a few times to try to let everything he's trying to teach, sink in.

Thanks for your impressions on the difference between the Runner and the Bone.

I guess when I watched Daniel's video, in which he used that multisling product, it seemed as though he needed to be right there at the redirect point in order to be able to install it.

I should admit, for the sake of full disclosure at this point, that I am not a pro arb, and I likely have nowhere near your climbing time or experience, just so you know to be patient with me.

It is very interesting to me that you have never felt the need or desire to want to take your Hitch Hiker off of the rope for a redirect. It quite possibly means I'm thinking about things in the wrong fashion.

The instance I'm thinking about where I would want to remove my climbing system from the rope is one in which I already have a really good, high, primary suspension point, but I'm wanting to reach a new part of the canopy that is maybe twenty feet or so laterally away from me, at least. So, I'd like to toss and recover a throw ball, pull the tail of my rope around the new branch, lanyard in, swap my system to the newly acquired side, and pull myself out there.

Maybe you have always had good success getting your Hitch Hiker system to pull through the crotches you use for redirects, or maybe you operate in a way that avoids the need for being able to acquire a redirect point that is remote from you.

Up until now, I've been reluctant to try to send my whole climbing system away from me to try to flip it through a crotch, for fear of getting it stuck, which I think I discussed in another thread recently. I got some good tips from a few of the veteran climbers on this forum on this issue at that time, which I look forward to trying out.

The issue that Daniel Holliday mentioned in his video, of the possibility when using redirects of having the rope rubbing too much on the cambium of the tree, was something I had not considered. His use of the multisling with a biner, and using a clove hitch to "lock in" the rope's position, thereby preventing the sawing motion of the rope on the cambium, was interesting.

Thanks again for the great responses, deevo. Your time and attention are much appreciated.

Tim
 
I take muy runner on and off all the time. its not as hard as people make it out to be. It takes a bit longer, and is more cumbersome on and off than my BDB or my akimbo. but in the scheme of the day it means the time difference in about a minute. I do it in a way so there is no drop hazard. It would be an issue if you were constantly taking it on and off, going from line to line, but I come across the need once or twice during a big tree. its no big deal and there is no need to be shy of doing it.
 
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