rock hard rope?

Phil

Carpal tunnel level member
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Oak Lawn, IL
So as i was coiling up our 1/2" 16 strand rigging rope i noticed that a 4-5" section of it was rock hard and unable to be bent easily. I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen and what causes it. Does it reduce stregnth in the rope? I thought it might be from pine sap but there is no external evidence...the rope looks normal. I am going to replace the rope anyway and cut that section out but i was trying to figure out what was going on.
 
Probably because it was run hard and burned, and now it's SWL has been compromised. Usually the stiff part is longer, several feet or more. I wouldn't trash the rope, but I wouldn't use it for heavy rigging anymore.
 
Hey Phil. I run a training program for tree trimmers and I go through a lot of rope every year, at least 4 600' spools. We have the guys climb on Hi-V Safety Blue 16 strand. A year ago, a student came to me with that exact same issue. This was a climb line with maybe 100 to 150 hours of use on it, no rigging whatsoever, mostly just hip-thrusting, work positioning, and descending. It may have been footlocked a handful of times. Anyway, it had a spot about 6" long that was hard as a rock and unflexible, more or less 30' from the end of a 100' rope.
Because of the nature of our program we had to trash the rope, but there is a strong chance that someone retrieved the rope from the garbage... and is now using it to raise and lower a drift boat on the Alsea River, although there is no way to substantiate this ugly rumor.
 
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So as i was coiling up our 1/2" 16 strand rigging rope i noticed that a 4-5" section of it was rock hard and unable to be bent easily. I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen and what causes it. Does it reduce stregnth in the rope? I thought it might be from pine sap but there is no external evidence...the rope looks normal. I am going to replace the rope anyway and cut that section out but i was trying to figure out what was going on.

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Not to be a smart #@! and hope you are not to offended but is this your first day? If you own that rope or use it for work you should know the answer to that beforehand.

Once again I am only asking and not poking fun but... are you a CA? Seriously now; What the $#@! ?
 
I am assuming you don't know the answer BSaville because you have posted nothing to help answer my question. I am a CA and am discontinueing the use of that rope. so whats your problem? I'm thinking you were the kid that got picked on in high school and attack everyone elses crediability because you doubt your own. Please don't post in anymore of my threads. You have shown your contribution to this site on numerouse occassions and I don't appreciate your comments. you can go be bitter somewhere else.
 
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I am assuming you don't know the answer BSaville because you have posted nothing to help answer my question. I am a CA and am discontinueing the use of that rope. so whats your problem? I'm thinking you were the kid that got picked on in high school and attack everyone elses crediability because you doubt your own. Please don't post in anymore of my threads. You have shown your contribution to this site on numerouse occassions and I don't appreciate your comments. you can go be bitter somewhere else.

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Yes I sometimes doubt my own creditbilty and to look at those who did pick on me in high school only adds to my creditbilty. Most of them either commtited suicide, serve a lot of time in jail, or have to many kids and bills. Do you see what I mean when I say What the $#@!? Besides kids pick on each other, grown up can agrue.

I am by all means not bitter, in fact I am very happy. It is not in bitterness with which I replied to this post, it is my concern that it is obvious to me that this guy needs to know more about his ropes before he gets hurt.

Ropes do not become like that for no reason and there aren't to many reasons why it does. I am not a trainer and thank you for taking the job
 
and still, you have yet to give a valid reason for why the rope is hard as a rock. I don't want to know about your pregnant, suicidal friends from HS, iwant to know about why the rope is hard as a rock...I know there are only a few ways it could happen, so humor me and post your answer.
 
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Yes I sometimes doubt my own creditbilty and to look at those who did pick on me in high school only adds to my creditbilty. Most of them either commtited suicide, serve a lot of time in jail, or have to many kids and bills. Do you see what I mean when I say What the $#@!? Besides kids pick on each other, grown up can agrue.

I am by all means not bitter, in fact I am very happy. It is not in bitterness with which I replied to this post, it is my concern that it is obvious to me that this guy needs to know more about his ropes before he gets hurt.

Ropes do not become like that for no reason and there aren't to many reasons why it does. I am not a trainer and thank you for taking the job

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Bsaville,

your posts are jittery, your a neurotic basketcase..... borderline manic depressive by any chance?......just calm down.....we know your palms are sweaty and your nervously stooped over the keyboard waiting for the next response to your repugnant posts, but if your prepared to accept our help, we can indeed help you.

First of all, stand up, clasp your hands on top of your head and apply downward pressure, now take a few deep breaths, if our near a window take a look outside(hands still on head).

That is the real world outside, now we all know that you find it a very daunting place and that you have repressed these feelings for years, but not everyone wants to attack you, rip you off, use you, take advantage of your generosity or lie to you. There are some good people out there, if you could just transcend this adolescent phase you are stuck in you might find that people will begin to warm to you. Good people generally find other good people, so don't worry, try to relax a bit more and accept that life is hard, the more you deny this fact the worst it will get.
 
Rock hard rope probably got cooked as stated. Some chance of pine resin, but that would be obvious. The losses should be measured in tensile strength(SWL), more leverageable on a bend\resists bending more and loss of elasticity\ dynamic absorptions.
 
yeah, that rope has had a long enough life in the rigging biz...even before i got to use it...who knows how old it is or how it has been used in the past... i think its time to retire the old fella. maybe make him a tagline.
 
Hey BSA,

Drop the CA bashing. I'm getting really weary of hearing about your bad experiences with individuals who happen to be CAs. Your bias is baseless. You could substitute a lot of other biases too. I find CA-ist attitudes just as repugnant as any other ____-ist comments no matter what you fill the blank with.

Rather than just ranting all of the time why not take half the time and add something to the conversation. After all, this is a 'discussion' forum not a ranthall.
 
Phil,

Retiring suspect ropes or chopping out suspect sections is always prudent. No economy in broken ropes.

The only time I've ever found a rope stiff or 'crayoned' was after subjecting it to a hard rigging drop.

If you can, cut off a bit more than just the stiff part. then measure the whole piece and set it aside for a while to see if it changes length. I'd be curious if it would settle down, get softer and shorten just a bit.
 
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Yes I sometimes doubt my own creditbilty....... Most of them either commtited suicide, serve a lot of time in jail, or have to many kids...
Ropes do not become like that for no reason and there aren't to many reasons why it does.

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Please share your knowledge oh Great One.

And remind me to stay clear of your home town. Sounds dreadful!!!

Phil, can you elaborate on the stiff section. Is it crispy, discolored, increase or decrease in diameter?
 
its not crispy or discolored...if i remember corectly it might have been slightly larger in diameter but i can't recall for sure...i will check it out monday. the rope itself was my shorter rigging line that i used for small to medium pieces although i am sure myself and others before me have taken that boarderline big piece with it. it wouldn't surprise me if the rope was heavily shocked in the past either...i have a hard time teaching my ground guys the concept of letting it run. They are getting better though.
 
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Bsaville,

your posts are jittery, your a neurotic basketcase..... borderline manic depressive by any chance?......just calm down.....we know your palms are sweaty and your nervously stooped over the keyboard waiting for the next response to your repugnant posts, but if your prepared to accept our help, we can indeed help you.

First of all, stand up, clasp your hands on top of your head and apply downward pressure, now take a few deep breaths, if our near a window take a look outside(hands still on head).

That is the real world outside, now we all know that you find it a very daunting place and that you have repressed these feelings for years, but not everyone wants to attack you, rip you off, use you, take advantage of your generosity or lie to you. There are some good people out there, if you could just transcend this adolescent phase you are stuck in you might find that people will begin to warm to you. Good people generally find other good people, so don't worry, try to relax a bit more and accept that life is hard, the more you deny this fact the worst it will get.

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I commend you on your ability to respond to my ravings in such a polite, intelligent, and truthful manner. I make no jest.

I have allready stated in an earlier post that I saw things black and white. By definition this is a manic/ depressive. The title of my other post is TREE- E- MOTION.

As far as being nuerotic or adolenscent; No more than anyone else.

As far as transcending; well you took the words out of right out of my mouth. I have , am and will continue to do so.

As far as repugnant; The truth hurts buddy, hurts me to. The fact that a guy doesn't understand the circumstances under which a rope hardens makes bells go off and I think "what else don't he know that could hurt him( I don't want that) and why hasn't he had acsess to the information so important to him". I am not saying he is a stupid man I am pointing out a flaw. Maybe I point out to many flaws but in this work yourr eyes must never stop looking for the small nub that will pierce your lungs.

I am sure I would have to travel and spend a lot of money to get this instruction. It is the responsiblity of employers to make sure that their employees have the training. Some do some don't. I haven't seen to many that do.

I know what you mean when you say the certain types of people find each other. I find all types and learn many different things from them. I was looking to see what type of people where here and found the same I found elsewhere. Some are black and some are white. But most have the same problem: they don't respond well when some loony wants them to stop yammering about things that only boost egos and to look outside at the real world too and maybe not to judge without taking a look at all sides. If they think they have done that they are wrong.(I feel)

Thanks for reading me, yes I may say things in anger, but, honestly, it is mostly from concern. I hope you do not feel I am making fun of you being a instructor. I hope you help a lot of people, don't let this guy with the burnt rope off without making sure he knows what he is supposed to. Beleive me I don't want to speak up in that department, I never had a lick of formal training(in tree work) in my life. I am not saying I am a natural, I am saying I well...transcended. Read what I told the guy who posted the one about acsenders.

By the way, from what was described the rope was just heated up which we all know.M.B. allready said it but I was thinking on another level. Hey, while you are down there, BELOW ME. (just a joke I am not serious)
 
I think I would have to know the entire history of the rope and have it in my hand before I would attemmpt to answer. Anything I would say would just be speculation. Weird things happen.
 
i hope the guys you work with now realize how lucky they are to be working with the real life Jesus Christ. You obviously know everything about tree work and ropes and anything else in which you have had no "formal training". I was always told that the only stupid question was the one not asked. That seemed like some good advice to me. i guess not though. I suppose since i wasn't born with an innate abiltiy to understand everythign about everything I should return to a vegetative state and rely on my parents to survive.

I also thought I asked you not to respond to anymore of my threads. You are like the retarded child whose mother tells him not to put his hand in the pot of boiling water but does it anyway. I asked you not to do something but you did it. Its no wonder you can't hold a steady job with one employer...you don't listen. Again...don't respond to this Bsaville...just read it and leave. If you search the web long enough i am sure you will find a psychiatrist forum in which all your emotional issues can be addressed.


you make me weep for humanity. (not a joke...i am serious)
 
Hey I am only bashing the Ca's who can't DO the work or the ones fresh out of school who talk like they have been doing it all their lives. That is for the record. Thanks for leeting me stay. Beleive it or not I humbly apreciate it. Did you not read my post to you.

hell, for all we know someone took this guys rope without him knowing it, scorched it and put it back. All I am saying is that 1. You should always know about your ropes(obsessively) and 2. If number 1 is the case he should contact the manufacture and get it investigated. I am dead serious. I am pissed that M.B. didn't say this since he did write the book. I guess I should have just said it as well but let my vehement attitude get in the way once again and chose to say it another way. I am sorry.
 
"Hey I am only bashing the Ca's who can't DO the work or the ones fresh out of school who talk like they have been doing it all their lives. "

Then it doesn't have anything to do with them being CAs. If they have green hair it would have no bearing on the story...they just happen to be CAs. There are plenty of CAs, many more, who've learned at the same school...of hard knocks...so knock off the CA bashing...you paint with too wide a brush
 

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