Pruning a 350 year old tree

Word up, I reread your post after writing and saw that you were making te distinction. My bad.

Far as your question about cankers, I would say yes. But I don't have a study to cite for that, anyone care to suggest one?
 
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In all reality he didn't remove ENOUGH material to make the tree 100% safe. Only way to make a tree 100% safe is to remove 100% of the tree.

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The tree is growing in the middle of a field... maybe 100% safe isn't the best term.. perhaps acceptable risk would be better...
 
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Not quite sure what to say to you because your either not open to hearing another opinion or your trying to provoke a reaction from me by insinuating I'm either a tree mutilator or too lazy to do a tip reduction. rather not give you that satisfaction.

I put this video on here because the job was somewhat unusual and I though it might initiate some interesting discussion. I've tried to address your points but you don't seem to open to hearing anything that contradicts the assumptions you've already made from a 3 minute video. I would be interested to learn you achedemic qualifications which qualify your opinion seeing as your so quick to challenge an alternate view point.

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I wasn't trying to be offensive or bait you... and yes, the vid has provoked some good and important conversation.. thank you for taking to the time to make and share it!

And I try to keep as open a mind as possible... I promote and use reduction pruning to prevent storm damage more than anyone else in my area that I know of. Sometimes severe reduction in cases of advanced decay, or long cracked lion's tailed limbs. Other than deadwood, I rarely make cuts on main stems.

So far this pruning has been very successful. The trees have done well. I've had a lot of confidence to assure clients, no worries, the tree will be OK. We had some big winds last year and no problems...

As with so much in this biz, there are many factors to consider. Risk, species, condition of tree, signs of decay or structural compromise, potential for unseen structural issues, size, weight, lean, and distribution of weight in the tree, clients thoughts about the importance of tree vs. risk to property, cost of prune vs remove etc..

Questions that arborists face every day: can/should a tree be saved and if so, how much pruning is needed..

Two phrases I use when talking to clients:
pruning is wounding...
we only need to take off the straw that breaks the camels back ...

The other thing to keep in mind is that there is a lack of science to give us a reliable system for making such judgments. Science has limits.. there are so many factors making it too complicated for science to measure accurately, and the type of factors that are hard to replicate in a lab... and time ... we really need to know how pruning will affect a tree 50-150 years from now... all making it near impossible for science to provide us the understanding we need.

The paper Tom quoted seems not to be based on science. Its just "try it this way cause it worked for us"... So academic credentials don't do as much good as real world experience. I've been in this biz for 30 years. For 30 years, every time the wind blows someone is ringing my phone.. I've also chased a few hurricanes.. That experience gives me a lot of confidence in my opinion.

The influence of the profit motive and arborists taking the path of least resistance must be accounted for. When I got a 75' bucket, I was able to do reduction pruning fast, easy and make it affordable for the client.
 
Science does have value.

So does art.

When veteran tree care first got started it was based on the art of tree care with hundreds of years of history.

Trees have been maintained and cultured a lot differently in Europe than in the rest of the world. Intense population pressures have lead to practices that have extended the life of a tree as a productive organism a lot longer.
 
Thanks Daniel.

Not sure if you missed the fact that the tree had been pruned a series of times before. Tip pruning was 1st carried out many years ago. Since Ive been working on the estate we have been gradually reducing the stems a couple at a time with cuts upto 18inches, all the while the base of the tree has been continuing to decay. If the decay had not been progressing so rapidly, management would have been a tip reduction and job done.

Because of the extent of previous reductions, there was little dampening effect in the crown so a lot of stress would have been transferring down the stem. With the benefit of being able to monitor the extent of decay over the years a decision was made to remove a huge amount of weight from the tree, back to around the original pollard height where the tree was naturally forming a secondary crown. A lesser reduction would have still made huge cuts and would have left huge stumps with a few side branches which would have looked terrible.

The cuts I made will decay, I'd bet that, but at least the tree will stay standing. If it ends up as a toilet tube structure so be it, better than dead.

In terms of risk, the consultant has been using the qtra system to evaluate the level of risk the tree poses. The level of risk was becoming hard to justify because of the occupancy beneath the tree during the festival, preventing access within falling distance of the tree wasn't working. Although risk was a contributing factor to carrying out the work, the main reason was to prevent collapse of the tree so that it could continue to survive for who knows how long.

Not sure if you noticed the last 2 photos but the tree has a fairly natural appearance despite of the extent of the reduction. I would bet that few visitors to the estate would even notice it had been worked on unless they were familiar with the individual tree.

I believe that many of the things we believe to be good practice now we will look back on in the future, with the benefit of new "science" and scoff at. That's just the evolution of our industry. Nothing we do, including veteran tree management is an exact science. As long as we do what we believe is the best thing, taking into account all we know about the tree, site, conditions and compare with our own and other peoples experiences, that's the best we can offer. Its all a guessing game
 
Agreed...
it is a game, trying to balance what is good for the tree with what is good for the people and environment..
I watched the vid again and have softened a bit to the job you did.. still way more than than I would have done or thought needed... I've never seen how a linden responds to topping.. though I AM quite sure the tree is freaked out about now!
 
We recommend planting clones or cuttings or seedlings in hopes these daughters grow up to shelter, protect and support their mother.
In my opinion this is a good solution in combination with reduction.
Makes me sad to see solitary trees:(
 
here's a large maple that had been severely lions tailed.. it was really tip heavy and had lots of vertical cracks in the big and small limbs (over two houses).. I had to lobby hard too get the client to prune and thus save the tree.. Looks like a decent tree from the pic, but I took at least half, maybe close to 2/3 of the green foliage out last year. She called me up just before Hurrucane Sandy and asked to have the tree cut down. I told her to trust me.. the tree is good...

Hopefully the tree has enough leaves to stay healthy..
 

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With those topping cuts, did you leave a lot of stub above the laterals you were cutting back to? As like a buffer for decay, or were they "flush" with what you left.

I thought it looked pretty good when you were done. Interesting job, nice video.
 

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