picture of the year ,put it up !! 2013

I hate talking money with people I know already, doing jobs for friends who you aren't real tight with. it can get so awkward.

Mstc that is a bada$$ pic, that's in the running
 
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Thats actually why i dont write estimates on site anymore. Its easier to negotiate price from a computer screen then face to face.

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My dad (a carpenter) once told me, "Never let the customer set/negotiate your price"...this was a lesson learned the hard way a few times. Now, I would give an estimate for the work and if the customer wasn't happy with it, they can shop around for other estimates. You either learn to present your estimates better, price jobs according to your market, or you have a poor closing rate. If someone looked shocked at the price I quoted, I would actually urge them to get other estimates. I would then make note that they (the customer) will not have to worry about us destroying property, not returning/answering phone calls, leaving without checking to make sure they were 100% satisfied with the work completed, or showing up like we were rejected from an AA meeting. I've had people thank me just for returning phone calls. When you are presenting an estimate, you are selling yourself as much as you are selling the tree work.

If a customer offered to sell me the photos they took I would chuckle, politely decline, then talk about how cheap they were on the internet.(sarcasm)
 
You can never win at negotiating if you can't get up from the table. People will ask for all sorts of things, sometimes the best answer is a polite, no.
 
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in this case the client offered me the pics for $200 off the bill.


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Possibly the cheapest, nerviest client of all time?

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Agreed....thats bang out of order mate. I would've embarrassed the guy into giving the pics up. They're cool images of the job Bryan, as happens most of the time where treework is set against a blue sky.... but hardly by way of any great skill on the part of the camera man. I am offended even, and it wasn't even my job.

Great photos throughout the thread as it turned out.

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I was just surprised when he first asked me, I offered him $100 for them and he countered with $200. Lol. I was focused on closing the deal and ending on a good note. Most of the time the problem is I'm so taken back by how some people operate that I don't think of the right thing to say until after the fact.

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You're too nice Brian....thats part the problem. I woulda laughed in his face first, and then let him have it. That he suggests standing there pushing a button on a camera is worth something against the danger and skill involved in taking those big trees down, is an insult. Did he keep all the money for the lumber ?
 
We had a client who was a photojournalist take pics of work we did for him. He gave us digital copies of the pics and did an article in the local paper featuring those pics. It was a nice gesture however, I'd never presume to expect them for free given that this is how has made his living. He is passionate about it just as we are but that doesn't diminish the value of the work.
 
They should be paying you to sign a consent and release form for you allowing to be photographed sense they can make $ off your hunky modeling, or at least use that photo of you at there will.. I hate being photographed with out permission. It's always been a pet peeve.

My wife did some nude modeling while preggers for a art class, and then about a year later there was I was informed by a client that there was a nude painting of her hanging in a gallery. We live in a very small community, and there is a difference of letting some one sketch you in a art class, and another with trying to sell that image with out your consent.
 
Nice pics and nice rigging Josh! I always wanted to climb some of those trees out your way!
If you are around next week come on over to the rec climb and bring your friend who came two years ago!
 
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in this case the client offered me the pics for $200 off the bill.


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Possibly the cheapest, nerviest client of all time?

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Agreed....thats bang out of order mate. I would've embarrassed the guy into giving the pics up. They're cool images of the job Bryan, as happens most of the time where treework is set against a blue sky.... but hardly by way of any great skill on the part of the camera man. I am offended even, and it wasn't even my job.

Great photos throughout the thread as it turned out.

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I was just surprised when he first asked me, I offered him $100 for them and he countered with $200. Lol. I was focused on closing the deal and ending on a good note. Most of the time the problem is I'm so taken back by how some people operate that I don't think of the right thing to say until after the fact.

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You're too nice Brian....thats part the problem. I woulda laughed in his face first, and then let him have it. That he suggests standing there pushing a button on a camera is worth something against the danger and skill involved in taking those big trees down, is an insult. Did he keep all the money for the lumber ?

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Yes Reg, he kept the money for the lumber.
 
Those photographers can be a real problem. I've been running them off for a couple years. It makes all the difference if they'd just ask permission then work together for some shots or footage. Otherwise I call them pop-up people. Behind the bush, around the corner of the garage, who knows where they'll appear next. They need to be watched constantly while we need to focus on our work. Everyone has a camera now (except me) and they'll cruise right under the tree looking through the viewfinder if the crew lets them.

The real burn is a competitor filming to learn techniques or a customer filming for evidence of damage, as if, more likely their distraction will cause the damage or injury.
 
I enjoyed this picture the most. Flying squirrels are nocturnal of course, so I doubt this one was posing for a daylight picture, probably instinctively immobile if a potential predator is lurking. This job was a crown clean, but we made sure to leave the hollow stem we thought it may be living inside.

The real pleasure was to watch it glide as I turned away. I've never had such a close view of a flying squirrel from above. The precision with which they glide and land is astonishing. This one made my day, I hope I didn't frighten it too badly.
 

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That sure looks similar to a sugar glider.

I just saw a couple of them in a large water Oak I was taking down. It was pretty cool to watch them fly like a bat out of hell.
 
The sugar glider is native to Australia. They're marsupials, therefore more closely related to our possum than to a flying squirrel. I guess the similar methods of locomotion is a good example of convergent evolution.

At any rate, the flying squirrel is one marvelous little mammal. We got to watch this one glide to a codominant stem and hike back up to his hollow, high-rise apartment.
 
people in the Southern USA call flying squirrels sugar gliders. one name is as used as the other, so he's not wrong.
The name sugar glider is creeping north, as the more cute name seems to be taking over, so learn it and not tell them that they are wrong.
 
No where in my post did I claim anyone was wrong.

Nevertheless, sugar gliders are one of a number of species of flying possums, distinct from the two species of flying squirrels in North America.

Use whatever common name you wish, I happen to prefer the names I used. I hope you enjoyed the picture.
 
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