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treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
laced out plenty of trees without ever pulling up a chainsaw. Lighter and more agile without hauling around the Csaw. Besides our tree saw is a 260 with an 18" bar.
treebing
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Detroit, Mi.
yeah Im a weight weenie, shoot, I dont even pull it up. most of the time I make my groundie pull it up to me!
The work climb tree overall looked very nice. I never saw the infamous killer stub. But, yeah, that masters tree was pretty bad. Thanks again for the use of your futon and putting up with savannah. Great show.
The work climb tree overall looked very nice. I never saw the infamous killer stub. But, yeah, that masters tree was pretty bad. Thanks again for the use of your futon and putting up with savannah. Great show.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
I don't have anything against carrying a chainsaw in the tree but personally, I leave mine on the ground unless I'm sure I'll be using it on some big pieces. I do mostly pruning and don't really hesitate to take a 5" cut with my handsaw unless there are lots of'em... it's plenty of exercise compared to lugging a saw on the hip and it's a hell of a lot easier to move around in a dense canopy.
I'm sorry I missed that comp. I was planning to be there but got saddled at the last minute with kid duty all weekend. After watching NB's video clips, I'm really regretting it.
I'm sorry I missed that comp. I was planning to be there but got saddled at the last minute with kid duty all weekend. After watching NB's video clips, I'm really regretting it.
Riggs
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- Bryn Mawr , Pa.
"ha, 2 men in a bucket, look out I'd one hand cut and chuck that tree coz I'm Hercules".
Not really , I'd one hand and chuck it because the guy next to you , would be on the ground cleaning it up .
"The problem is doggedly justifying it and publicising to the point of glorifying it. Be aware of what you are doing rather than just habitually doing it."
Wheres the bucket? i'm gonna throw up . I just wonder if you and grover walk the talk .
Not really , I'd one hand and chuck it because the guy next to you , would be on the ground cleaning it up .
"The problem is doggedly justifying it and publicising to the point of glorifying it. Be aware of what you are doing rather than just habitually doing it."
Wheres the bucket? i'm gonna throw up . I just wonder if you and grover walk the talk .
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Not really , I'd one hand and chuck it because the guy next to you , would be on the ground cleaning it up .
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Just in case your comprehension is as challenged as your work practices I'll reiterate.
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When I hire a bucket the driver comes up with me, another pair of hands free, done so for years and we know each other and trust each other. Cut and chuck becomes a 2 man operation
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He is not part of my crew, not a ground guy or otherwise, he could sit on his azz and drive the bucket from below or hop in the bucket and help me out. So I take it in this scenario you would rather him driving from the ground whilst you one hand everything.
Yes, where is the bucket, I need to place it over your head!
Not really , I'd one hand and chuck it because the guy next to you , would be on the ground cleaning it up .
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Just in case your comprehension is as challenged as your work practices I'll reiterate.
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When I hire a bucket the driver comes up with me, another pair of hands free, done so for years and we know each other and trust each other. Cut and chuck becomes a 2 man operation
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He is not part of my crew, not a ground guy or otherwise, he could sit on his azz and drive the bucket from below or hop in the bucket and help me out. So I take it in this scenario you would rather him driving from the ground whilst you one hand everything.
Yes, where is the bucket, I need to place it over your head!
treebing
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- Detroit, Mi.
ekka, I cant say that I am familiar with your neck of the woods. But I hear a lot of people say that in my neck of the woods as well. "98% is takedowns" etc. my experience is that those companies are geared towards doing removals... their businesses are set up to be straight up tree services. They have a quota to meet and they cant afford to do a 150$ pruning, its just not cost effective.
I probably do 60% pruning work with my tiny little operation because I know that if I get a 150$ pruning I can get done in an hour and a half I am happy as hell. Most tree services lose money on a job like that.
I really hesitate to consider my self a tree service either because I dont want to even go there. I dont consider the dudes that do 98% removals even as competition, they have their big chippers and stumpgrinders and poorly paid labor... they do what they do, my aim is to create a market that has no competition. Different business all together. I am still very young at the game but I like where its going. There is no question that going back to work for a "tree service" and being another tool in the equipment box is not an option anymore.
I probably do 60% pruning work with my tiny little operation because I know that if I get a 150$ pruning I can get done in an hour and a half I am happy as hell. Most tree services lose money on a job like that.
I really hesitate to consider my self a tree service either because I dont want to even go there. I dont consider the dudes that do 98% removals even as competition, they have their big chippers and stumpgrinders and poorly paid labor... they do what they do, my aim is to create a market that has no competition. Different business all together. I am still very young at the game but I like where its going. There is no question that going back to work for a "tree service" and being another tool in the equipment box is not an option anymore.
treebing
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- Detroit, Mi.
sorry, wrong thread
TC
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Forgive my ignorance. Modern in-the-tree arborist chainsaws are forward balanced, designed for one-arm use, and cut off automatically in the event of kickback. Is this the one permisslbe exception to your rule? I still try to put a trunk or branch between me and my saw.
Thank you,
P61195
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P61195,
I dont think you are ignorant, but top handled chainsaws, specifically the most popular MS200T are not designed to be used one handed.
This is a commonly held misconception regarding these saws.
They have the handle at the top to make them more compact for both using in the tree amd moving around the tree attached to your harness.The top handle design also makes them lighter.
Even with the inertia break built into these saws if you are using the saw one handed the force of the kickback could send the bar moving towards your face or body at incredible speed which would no doubt cause serious injury.
Read the instruction manual that comes with the Stihl MS200T, they specifically issue a warning that chainsaws should not be used one handed.
If Stihl had intended the MS200T to be used one handed why would they have issued this warning?
Forgive my ignorance. Modern in-the-tree arborist chainsaws are forward balanced, designed for one-arm use, and cut off automatically in the event of kickback. Is this the one permisslbe exception to your rule? I still try to put a trunk or branch between me and my saw.
Thank you,
P61195
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P61195,
I dont think you are ignorant, but top handled chainsaws, specifically the most popular MS200T are not designed to be used one handed.
This is a commonly held misconception regarding these saws.
They have the handle at the top to make them more compact for both using in the tree amd moving around the tree attached to your harness.The top handle design also makes them lighter.
Even with the inertia break built into these saws if you are using the saw one handed the force of the kickback could send the bar moving towards your face or body at incredible speed which would no doubt cause serious injury.
Read the instruction manual that comes with the Stihl MS200T, they specifically issue a warning that chainsaws should not be used one handed.
If Stihl had intended the MS200T to be used one handed why would they have issued this warning?
Passing the liability "buck" anywhere away from themselves. Even though the instrument is clearly designed for proper one-handed use they have to cover their butts legally because nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore (nor accept that accidents sometimes just happen).
Stihl "saying" that would be like Ferrari "telling" you in a car manual to never exceed 70 MPH.
Stihl "saying" that would be like Ferrari "telling" you in a car manual to never exceed 70 MPH.
TC
Participating member
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Even though the instrument is clearly designed for proper one-handed use
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glens,
take your MS200T or similar with a pro chain, walk to the nearest large piece of cut wood rev the saw to full revs, hold the saw in one hand and touch the kick back zone on the wood, a helmet with full visor might be a good idea here.
In fact if you think it might be too dangerous to try this, STOP! and ask yourself why you would use the saw one handed in the tree.
If you do decide to give it a go, tell us what happens when you do this. How much control of that saw do you have during kick back?
Even though the instrument is clearly designed for proper one-handed use
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glens,
take your MS200T or similar with a pro chain, walk to the nearest large piece of cut wood rev the saw to full revs, hold the saw in one hand and touch the kick back zone on the wood, a helmet with full visor might be a good idea here.
In fact if you think it might be too dangerous to try this, STOP! and ask yourself why you would use the saw one handed in the tree.
If you do decide to give it a go, tell us what happens when you do this. How much control of that saw do you have during kick back?
Riggs
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- Bryn Mawr , Pa.
"If Stihl had intended the MS200T to be used one handed why would they have issued this warning? "
oh "grover" warning for what ? you act like using one hand is dangerous and zorro like and such a short cut . There is practical ways to use one hand on a saw . I've never used one hand on a saw and heard anyone say that is "crazy !" only here . Lets say I can curl with weights ,a hundred lbs. , one hand , and "grover" can only curl twenty lbs. , now "grover holding a saw two hands is still ( stihl) not as good as a grip on a saw as my one hand . And if "grover can tear a ms200 out of my one hand , with two hands , than he is the man. I'll than tear the ms200 out of "grovers" hand with one hand , and he/she can wraps legs around it too.So what I'm saying is , some people with two hands are the same as some with one.
I just took down a couple White pines today , I lowered a bunch , but I did throw little limbs with my left hand . No one said it look dangerous , Hercules would send his mom to hold these limbs , but to rope them would have been a complete waste of my time , to drop them would have been up to the wind . I held the little limbs and chucked them in a neat pile , butts out , didn't hit the air unit , the windows . I cut the logs , gave them a little push , to help them land flat . So clean , no heroics , no close calls . No yelling , no screaming , just a tree getting done .
Ekka , I don't know how you do what you do , but right here , there aren't too many two man buckets. I really think that a rope and block would put that second man to shame . If I had to watch you and your bucket buddy play tag team in a bucket than I would need a bucket on my head , but make one of those with the sippy straws to the keg on the curb .
There person who started this thread is not concerned about anyones well being , he's just barking up a tree he can't climb. One hand two hands , keep the blood in your body .
oh "grover" warning for what ? you act like using one hand is dangerous and zorro like and such a short cut . There is practical ways to use one hand on a saw . I've never used one hand on a saw and heard anyone say that is "crazy !" only here . Lets say I can curl with weights ,a hundred lbs. , one hand , and "grover" can only curl twenty lbs. , now "grover holding a saw two hands is still ( stihl) not as good as a grip on a saw as my one hand . And if "grover can tear a ms200 out of my one hand , with two hands , than he is the man. I'll than tear the ms200 out of "grovers" hand with one hand , and he/she can wraps legs around it too.So what I'm saying is , some people with two hands are the same as some with one.
I just took down a couple White pines today , I lowered a bunch , but I did throw little limbs with my left hand . No one said it look dangerous , Hercules would send his mom to hold these limbs , but to rope them would have been a complete waste of my time , to drop them would have been up to the wind . I held the little limbs and chucked them in a neat pile , butts out , didn't hit the air unit , the windows . I cut the logs , gave them a little push , to help them land flat . So clean , no heroics , no close calls . No yelling , no screaming , just a tree getting done .
Ekka , I don't know how you do what you do , but right here , there aren't too many two man buckets. I really think that a rope and block would put that second man to shame . If I had to watch you and your bucket buddy play tag team in a bucket than I would need a bucket on my head , but make one of those with the sippy straws to the keg on the curb .
There person who started this thread is not concerned about anyones well being , he's just barking up a tree he can't climb. One hand two hands , keep the blood in your body .
KentuckySawyer
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- Louisville
Typically when I use a saw one handed, the "kick back zone" of the bar isn't in the wood. Is that proper one handed use? When the tip is in contact with wood, I make sure to keep both hands on the saw.
TC
Participating member
You've never suffered a moment of doubt in your life, have you?
Its going to take me a long time to recover from that verbal onslaught.
Remarkable frankness Riggs.
We'd work well together.
Maybe one day if I'm round your way I'll give you a shout. Although you probably wouldn't hear me what with all those voices in your head telling you to 'Smack this tree down'
later friend.
Its going to take me a long time to recover from that verbal onslaught.
Remarkable frankness Riggs.
We'd work well together.
Maybe one day if I'm round your way I'll give you a shout. Although you probably wouldn't hear me what with all those voices in your head telling you to 'Smack this tree down'
later friend.
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- Swansea, UK
I think the Health & Safety Executive over here says that one handed use should be avoided, but an exception is reaching out to the tip of a limb, but then it should be used with the bar at a right angle to your outstretched arm, so there is buggerall chance of it kicking back toward you.
Riggs
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- Bryn Mawr , Pa.
Thats alot of airfare to get around my way . Anytime though you're more than welcome , since we're friends. Is it a two hand shake when we meet ? just want to be safe , thought I'd ask .
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Using two hands on a saw is not about strength but ergonomics. Two points of contact give better control. I personally still prefer a rear handled saw even the 200.
No saw is DESIGNED to be used one handed and it's not about passing on liability. Stihl recognizes that some users will attempt to operate their tools in a manner other than the way it was designed.
No saw is DESIGNED to be used one handed and it's not about passing on liability. Stihl recognizes that some users will attempt to operate their tools in a manner other than the way it was designed.
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- Boulder County, CO.
Have to disagree; I believe top handled models were designed specifically to satisfy the market demand for saws that could more easily be used one handed.
"Stihl recognizes that some users will attempt to operate their tools in a manner other than the way it was designed"
Maybe "in a manner other than that which is commonly accepted as the safest" would be more accurate.
"Stihl recognizes that some users will attempt to operate their tools in a manner other than the way it was designed"
Maybe "in a manner other than that which is commonly accepted as the safest" would be more accurate.
The Stihl top handled saws were originally designed for ease of use on do it all/homeowner models like the 08S and 009, 011, 012 and 020.
These were adopted by tree climbing pros for obvious reasons, and only recently marketed that way.
Many forestry product companies have two markets - Forest products and homeowner/semi pro. Its about 50 - 50. The sales managers I've talked to often didn't realise the professional arb market is included in homeowner/semi pro, rather than targeting Arb specifically.
This started to change very recently with AMT directing Husqy et al, and Stihl picking up Mark (I suppose?) and TV in the UK. With forestry in decline, the change in focus to tree care from de-forestation, is likely to be a favoured approach by c/saw manufacturers in western markets.
These were adopted by tree climbing pros for obvious reasons, and only recently marketed that way.
Many forestry product companies have two markets - Forest products and homeowner/semi pro. Its about 50 - 50. The sales managers I've talked to often didn't realise the professional arb market is included in homeowner/semi pro, rather than targeting Arb specifically.
This started to change very recently with AMT directing Husqy et al, and Stihl picking up Mark (I suppose?) and TV in the UK. With forestry in decline, the change in focus to tree care from de-forestation, is likely to be a favoured approach by c/saw manufacturers in western markets.
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