Photo of Chainsaw Injury

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Smelling good at work? That's like making your bed-you're just going to mess it up again. That's a good idea, that way, the worker could have 5.0 and 5.1's. Sweet.

Sure, I could see if someone preferred chaps. That would be their perogative. We would like to get to the point where employees are able to build up collections of safety gear that they are proud of, not just what's cheapest. Happy employees are better employees, and I sleep better at night. I know what it's like to work for someone who wouldn't even buy hearing protection. Thanks for the advise, Nick. Cheers
 
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At the end of the probationary period, if you are hired, you get a pair of SIPS or other protective pants- which also serve as a type of uniform. Kind of like Team Zissou.

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That IS a good incentive...eh, boss?!?
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When I worked for the Care of Trees they had a work clothing allowance or something like that. Basically, you got like $5 a week put into an account that you could use for boots, gloves, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but when it was time to buy new boots, it was nice to know you had $100 sitting in the bank. Just bring in the receipt and you'd get that money to magically appear on the next paycheck.

Maybe you could up that just a hair to like $15/wk and after a couple months you'd have $120.

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I agree with you Nick. That is quite some cut there and even though it's hard to believe that this was just a matter of a chainsaw mistake unless it's a really big chainsaw and someone else was running it at the time and had it reved up and didn't here the guy on the other side of the tree or something to that affect. As far as the chainsaw protection there's not really an incentive for the employee in most cases to wear them during tree operations or the ground for that matter. Especially it's like you spend money on something that's gonna protect your body i.e. chainsaw pants and wear them at work and the guys at work ridicule you for them for the way they look or whatever but if you were to cut yourself it'd just come out from workman's compensation pay and insurance while you're sitting around. So as and employer you look at hey would I rather spend a little extra money and be a hardass about safety or take the risk of having a guy get hurt and not only having a workman's comp. claim but also the guy can't work so I'm losing productivity and money. If a guys good and he's in the saddle he's making the boss money and if he gets cut and is missing work he's still getting his workman's comp and it's costing you the employer money. So there's gotta be some kind of push or plan of attack from the employer.
 
Thanks to Norwegian taxation laws we can, as a part of the wage, give our crew about 3$ an hour to keeep their own chainsaws and ppe tax free. It is then expected that their chainsaws and ppe is 100% all the time. In one year that makes up 11100$! You can buy some chainsaws and ppe even in Norway for that. By the way - use of chainsawprotective clothing and boots are mandatory in Norway both in trees and on ground.
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The worst chainsaw injury I ever saw , was a guy who was cutting in front of his face with two hands and cut a V on both sides of his face . I saw this when I was 26 , and I said "what were you doing cutting in front of your face? " The other real serious injury I saw was a Purto Rican guy who would cut one hand on the ground criss crossing the saw . [censored] near cut his arm off. There are ways to not cut yourself , as much as you argue the two hand I'll be there for the one hand.
Do you know how hard it is to create a kickback with a small saw in a tree ? try it , you'd have to get a twenty + bar , than what , you gonna drop the saw ? That is how we are gonna cut ourselves right. a kickback or we will lose control of the little saw and slash ourselves . I'm gonna puke . I'm going to work now , at the end of the day I'll count my money with two hands , left to right , largest to smallest .
 
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If you are using a chainsaw one handed then you really should not be calling yourself a professional arborist/treeclimber/tree surgeon.

Your clients and customers are paying for a professional service, and by using the chainsaw one handed you are behaving in an amateur way.



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Well, now... That is a very bold statement to be making. I am all for saftey, please do not get me wrong. BUT... there are a FEW times that a one handed cut is just the only way to make the RIGHT cut. Unless you are a contortionist, I highly doubt you can make some cuts with two hands and make the correct, PROFESSIONAL cut. So, some of those cuts would look like an amateur had made them... you know, maybe a bit of a stub, wrong angle, cut into the collar....

I am more often cut by my handsaw, and I have so far escaped cutting myself with my chainsaw. I thank my professionalism and experience for that, even though I sometimes act and look like an amatuer?? and one hand the saw so I can offer a higher quality product for my client. That is just my take on it.

At any rate, I am happy you are concerned. Saftey is no accident
 
rentachimp , It means big money too $$$(know anything about that?) . I thought "grover " said this could be a debate , well there has to be two sides to a debate . I used two hands on my ms200 on most of my cuts today , but for the rest it was cut and throw . Straight up , I am ready for a professional debate , pictures and all right here on treebuzz, keep it clean , say your name on the subject of one hand chainsaw use . Step up or shut up ! Pick a name grover , axe , rentachimp , I'm ready for a "debate"
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Penn-Del Symposium , Safety talk , guy was funny , people in crowd were funny too. Went off on one hand saw use ,, I was in the crowd. Later , real later , like midnight , I was his partner in pool , we rocked . Too funny , Mr. safety and Mr. one hand use were kick azz till closing time . I didn't have the heart to tell him that I use one hand on my saw . I shoot a mean stick though .
I smack trees . backhand, one hand , one hand back hand , sometimes I just punch em. Trees will fight you to the end , it ain't over till you get a check,. Essay , Live chat , what ever , lets debate this subject for real . Grover you have no credibility , a person with your passion should be true to others , anything less makes you a hypocrite. Debate this safety issue , Mr/Mrs./Ms.Grover.
 
Well I'm going to hafe to chose my words carefully here, I might type with one hand and protect myself with the other....Riggs seems pissed.

I stated in another thread that, myself, I don't use a top handled saw. I will not go so far to say that you are not a professional or good at what you do simply because you make one handed cuts. Is it a bad habit, plain and simple. I will make maybe a handful of cuts per year with one hand, not because of body position but rather for my own personal safety (ie. a branch under pressure stuck in a crotch).

I think top handled saws make it much easier to get lazy, instead of climbing 2 more feet to be in a better position to cut, it is easy just to one hand it. Does easier make it correct?

As far as working out of a bucket truck i can't give an opinion on this, I don't work from one, so I don't know.

Gotta go to work now!
 
Generally speaking, I don't think easier is necessarily unsafe. Lazy, if there is such a thing (careless might be a better term), is probably unsafe...

To me it gets down to doing the job the right way. If a one handed cut is appropriate... then one handed it is. The decision has to take into account, amoung other things, the climber's physical strength, how close they are to the saw, what's between them and the chain, how much time they have, and the ergonomics of their position. Maximum control of the saw isn't necessary when you have ENOUGH control of the saw.

I'll say it again, you can't make blanket statements because they fail to account for the huge array of variables encountered working in trees.
 
cutting one handed is definitly more dangerous than cutting with two hands. Climbing into a tree is definitly more dangerous than staying on the ground. Getting into a car is definitly more dangerous than staying at home. getting into a car might be more dangerous than getting into a tree. I think tree climbing is one of those things that you cant make rules about. "NEVER HOLD A CHAIN SAW WITH ONE HAND" I'm a big boy, I know that I'm taking a risk whenever the situation comes around that I use one hand. But I am also taking a risk everytime I walk out the door in the morning. That being said, I am more against blanket statements than I am against two handed chainsaw use. In fact I would say I am a big fan of using a chainsaw with two hands.
I cut the tip of my pinky off while useing a hedge trimmer one handed. It was the type that has two triggers that have to be held in for the trimmers to work. My foreman had ducktaped the top trigger. NEVER TAPE THE SAFETY TRIGGER DOWN, actually no, I dont agree with that, better yet NEVER GIVE A HEDGE TRIMMER with the safety trigger taped down to a TO A hungover 17 year old.
 
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I smack trees . backhand, one hand , one hand back hand , sometimes I just punch em. Trees will fight you to the end , it ain't over till you get a check,. Essay , Live chat , what ever , lets debate this subject for real . Grover you have no credibility , a person with your passion should be true to others , anything less makes you a hypocrite. Debate this safety issue , Mr/Mrs./Ms.Grover.

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Riggs,

What is your freakin problem? I dont care what your real name is. I just know you as a treeworker called Riggs. Tom and Mark know what my real name is and thats all that matters.

I'm not gonna use my real name on a web forum as I am not on some kind of a fcukin fame trip. I am just another person workin with trees.

Who I am is totally irrelevent to you and who you or anyone else on this forum is, is totally irrelevent to me. I just wanna hear opinions, advice, stories and new ideas.

You smack trees, punch em, yeah? Well with that come hell or high water attitude, one of these these days the tree is gonna beat you Riggs. Never believe for one minute that you are gonna beat every tree you work on. If you need to talk like that to get a job done, then I suspect you have never been totally comfortable working in trees.

You may be very experienced and a great climber, But if you get as anxious and fired up just talking about working on trees then you are possibly heading for a heart attack brought on by your aggressive approach to your work.

You need to relax and take stock of your opinions. Your dogmatism on one handed use is childish. I suspect you know that what you are doing is wrong, but you and many others like you are just so stuck in your ways you cant see the benefits of changing for the better.

I'm not gonna get into it with you on this issue of one handed use, I might as well just scream at a wall for all the difference its gonna make in your case.

I dont like one handed use of a chainsaw, deal with it. It makes an already dangerous job even more dangerous.

You're a dinosaur Riggs, we'll look back at guys like you and say, "they did what!", "they actually had the arrogance to openly promote the one handed use of a chainsaw!"
 
Thats ironic! coming from someone called MasterBlaster!

Why dont you tell us all about yourself then MasterBlaster?
 
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