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treesap said:
they are normally, in certain situations they are extremely helpful tho

not saying leaving stubs is right tho
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Disclaimer to anyone reading this...The above poster is an inexperienced 14 year old boy who very rarely has a fucking clue what he is talking about, so please take his advice with a GIANT grain of salt.
 
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Yeah see...I told you someone would have to say something. I work with what I have. My boss is old school and cheap. I can save alot of time using a well place stub to rig. Then having to make 1 every time. Idk how that comes to inexperienced that seems. Pretty experienced and smart to me. I know my abilities and experience level. I may not have been climbing for long because I didn't like my bosses gear. But I've been cutting out of a bucket for 10 years.

And really what does leaving a stub to rig off from actually do to bother the climber? And I'm talking about Mrs not srt. I don't leave them when climbing srt because they do get in the way then.

And I come into this site to learn new ways and have learned alot from everyone. I keep saying I'm trying to save up to get new rigging gear.
 
rico said:
Disclaimer to anyone reading this...The above poster is an inexperienced 14 year old boy who very rarely has a fucking clue what he is talking about, so please take his advice with a GIANT grain of salt.
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nobody should take my advice anyways
 
@rico you see this?
I literally said its a bad idea implying people shouldn't listen to it
if your going to get your panties in a bunch, please by all means go argue with a tree stump or something, or, better yet, STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO MY STUFF
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It’s all about have a big tool box, lots of tools, and knowing where to apply which tool. Just like srs or mrs aren’t the perfect applications for every situation, using a block or natural rigging with a stub both have appropriate applications. The wise tree man knows when to apply the right tool. Personally, I’ll sometimes leave stubs to stand on when taking a top for more stability and comfortability. And I have used them for rigging at times. All depends on the situation.

@rico, you should have @treesap come work for you for a season. Sap, you could learn a lot from a seasoned tree vet like @rico.
 
Bendroctanus said:
It’s all about have a big tool box, lots of tools, and knowing where to apply which tool. Just like srs or mrs aren’t the perfect applications for every situation, using a block or natural rigging with a stub both have appropriate applications. The wise tree man knows when to apply the right tool. Personally, I’ll sometimes leave stubs to stand on when taking a top for more stability and comfortability. And I have used them for rigging at times. All depends on the situation.

@rico, you should have @treesap come work for you for a season. Sap, you could learn a lot from a seasoned tree vet like @rico.
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id probably be willing to work with Rico for a season, but he is on the wrong coast
and I wouldnt trust him anyways

ive got a local arborist in town that I climb with, and im pretty much on call for ground work if his groundie calls out
 
Christrees said:
Yeah see...I told you someone would have to say something. I work with what I have. My boss is old school and cheap. I can save alot of time using a well place stub to rig. Then having to make 1 every time. Idk how that comes to inexperienced that seems. Pretty experienced and smart to me. I know my abilities and experience level. I may not have been climbing for long because I didn't like my bosses gear. But I've been cutting out of a bucket for 10 years.

And really what does leaving a stub to rig off from actually do to bother the climber? And I'm talking about Mrs not srt. I don't leave them when climbing srt because they do get in the way then.

And I come into this site to learn new ways and have learned alot from everyone. I keep saying I'm trying to save up to get new rigging gear.
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You have to work with what you’ve got, for sure, but learning and saving for modern gear is the best way to go.

Leaving stubs is dangerous, especially when climbing, as it’s a really good way to impale yourself should that gaff out or swing and hit one. Doesn’t take much of a hit to put a 2” stub through your chest or abdomen, and if that happens, you’re dead. Not much hope of rescue from that one.

Also, stubs can be hit by falling limbs/logs and can be catapulted off to who knows where. Anyone want to explain to Mrs. Jones why there’s a 200 pound chunk of firewood sitting in the kitchen sink?
 
Reach said:
You have to work with what you’ve got, for sure, but learning and saving for modern gear is the best way to go.

Leaving stubs is dangerous, especially when climbing, as it’s a really good way to impale yourself should that gaff out or swing and hit one. Doesn’t take much of a hit to put a 2” stub through your chest or abdomen, and if that happens, you’re dead. Not much hope of rescue from that one.

Also, stubs can be hit by falling limbs/logs and can be catapulted off to who knows where. Anyone want to explain to Mrs. Jones why there’s a 200 pound chunk of firewood sitting in the kitchen sink?
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Seen, heard, and done all those things! My old boss gored his leg swinging into a stub whilst treeversing. Wasn’t there for it, but I didn’t need too. And there’s nothing that ruins a fun, smooth, professional job like a deflected piece breaking something because you left a stubby. Makes your stomach drop, I tell ya.
AND I could never lift a 12 white pine log off the ground to float it over a little hill and save the back with a stub. But I definitely can with my new Hobbs and impact block! Total game changer. Sorry for the terrible run on sentence.
 
Bendroctanus said:
It’s all about have a big tool box, lots of tools, and knowing where to apply which tool. Just like srs or mrs aren’t the perfect applications for every situation, using a block or natural rigging with a stub both have appropriate applications. The wise tree man knows when to apply the right tool. Personally, I’ll sometimes leave stubs to stand on when taking a top for more stability and comfortability. And I have used them for rigging at times. All depends on the situation.

@rico, you should have @treesap come work for you for a season. Sap, you could learn a lot from a seasoned tree vet like @rico.
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Yeah I do that too. Thanks for your opinion appreciated
 
Reach said:
You have to work with what you’ve got, for sure, but learning and saving for modern gear is the best way to go.

Leaving stubs is dangerous, especially when climbing, as it’s a really good way to impale yourself should that gaff out or swing and hit one. Doesn’t take much of a hit to put a 2” stub through your chest or abdomen, and if that happens, you’re dead. Not much hope of rescue from that one.

Also, stubs can be hit by falling limbs/logs and can be catapulted off to who knows where. Anyone want to explain to Mrs. Jones why there’s a 200 pound chunk of firewood sitting in the kitchen sink?
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Alright thanks. I appreciate knowledge and how you go about saying it.
 
Bendroctanus said:
Keeping an open mind in tree work will keep you in the trees longer.
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Oh definitely...I am. I'd never dismiss anyone's advice on here. I'm open to trying and learning everything I can. But like I said I'm just working with what I have for now. And when I can I'll definitely be buying some rigging slings. And maybe a try out a block aswell. For lifting shit like your saying.
 
Christrees said:
Oh definitely...I am. I'd never dismiss anyone's advice on here. I'm open to trying and learning everything I can. But like I said I'm just working with what I have for now. And when I can I'll definitely be buying some rigging slings. And maybe a try out a block aswell. For lifting shit like your saying.
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I didn’t think you were. I just know for myself, it’s easy to just find what works and just stick with what you know or how you were taught. But there are tons of techniques out there that can make life so much easier, and so sticking with what you know can be detrimental. I was just saying it for all of us. Tree work is an industry of innovation. Always has been, always will be, I’m sure.
 
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I didn’t think you were. I just know for myself, it’s easy to just find what works and just stick with what you know or how you were taught. But there are tons of techniques out there that can make life so much easier, and so sticking with what you know can be detrimental. I was just saying it for all of us. Tree work is an industry of innovation. Always has been, always will be, I’m sure.
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Right I get what you mean...I am the same way. But there's just so much rigging gear out that I want to try out eventually.
 
treesap said:
@rico you see this?
I literally said its a bad idea implying people shouldn't listen to it
if your going to get your panties in a bunch, please by all means go argue with a tree stump or something, or, better yet, STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO MY STUFF
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No, what you did was directly contradict a man with years of experience (Crimsonking), and then go on to contradict your-own-self self in your own fucking post... is the stub good, or is the stub bad? Make up your mind son..

You're a 14 year old child who can't seem to stop running your mouth on matters you know very little about... For the sake of this forum, please stop and just listen for awhile....
 
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Christrees said:
Yeah see...I told you someone would have to say something. I work with what I have. My boss is old school and cheap. I can save alot of time using a well place stub to rig. Then having to make 1 every time. Idk how that comes to inexperienced that seems. Pretty experienced and smart to me. I know my abilities and experience level. I may not have been climbing for long because I didn't like my bosses gear. But I've been cutting out of a bucket for 10 years.

And really what does leaving a stub to rig off from actually do to bother the climber? And I'm talking about Mrs not srt. I don't leave them when climbing srt because they do get in the way then.

And I come into this site to learn new ways and have learned alot from everyone. I keep saying I'm trying to save up to get new rigging gear.
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Since you seem like a young man who is genuinely interested in progressing as a tree-man I would strongly recommend that you think about hiring on with a better outfit....Do so and I'll bet your skillset would quickly grow exponentially...
 
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