Notch made in TW

[surveyor]

Maybe we should be glad that China produces cheap junk, If they ever start making quality products. (Think Japan) then where do we stand in a global economy. My sister and her husband bought a house built in the '60s with an ancient dish washer that still functions, made in the USA.

 

[evo]

Going back and reading the email you sent VSG, you write they are insane, greedy, lying thieves. And you write that you've boycotted them. The email comes across as your need to point out your perceived flaws in the way they run their business. In their shoes, I'm not sure I'd bother wasting customer service efforts responding to a non-customer who attacks so many aspects of my business, especially if any of your claims are inaccurate, and ESPECIALLY since you didn't ask for any type of REPLY.

How would you react if you received a similar letter about your business?

good point

 

[ArboristSolutions]

Going back and reading the email you sent VSG, you write they are insane, greedy, lying thieves. And you write that you've boycotted them. The email comes across as your need to point out your perceived flaws in the way they run their business. In their shoes, I'm not sure I'd bother wasting customer service efforts responding to a non-customer who attacks so many aspects of my business, especially if any of your claims are inaccurate, and ESPECIALLY since you didn't ask for any type of REPLY.

How would you react if you received a similar letter about your business?

Definitely a valid point. I mean they did literally take the X rings, make them in the US for a few years, and then changed the name, and made them in TW. I would imagine the name change was to cut someone out.

Responding to critics is part of running a company. Responding to people trying to make warranty claims is a part of the business of making products with a warranty When you advertise an amazing warranty program and then your voice-mail box is full anytime someone tries to call, you are unable to uphold these warranties.

I guess I didn't ask for a response, but if I received an email like the one I sent out and there was any incorrect statements I would certainly set the record straight.

 

[theatertech87]

Personally I don't think notch has a manufacturing issue. If they did, they'd have stepped in and not accepted products because they weren't made to spec, and there's enough other vendors manufacturing things overseas that I'm sure they could find a decent manufacture.

I've always felt that they had an engineering/design/testing issue. They have great ideas (jet step and bigshot trigger) the jetstep itself, has great mechanics to it... but they threw the cheesiest bullshit strap on it to hold it together... The big shot trigger, again a great idea, but needs to have thicker/stronger material in the clamp, a longer threaded screw in the clamp, and most importantly a redesigned safety lockout mechanism that isn't prone to breaking/bending

Almost everything they sell/make feels very much like a version 1 design, or a slightly polished beta device. The only real exception being their throwballs; and I assume this is because they already had sherrill tree made ones and we are in fact on a version 2 design that's learned from earlier issues.

Sure design ->prototype -> test ->redesign ->prototype -> test ->redesign ->prototype -> field test -> redesign is an expensive undertaking, but that's the only way you're going to get a decent product in the end with longevity. Look how long it took RE to bring the akimbo to market and see how few complaints there are about it, look at how many iterative improvements to the OG rope runner there were and how long they took to come out. For the price of the RR2 this testing cycle should've easily been affordable.

It really feels like notch just rushes things out the door before they're ready.

Does anyone know of someone besides treebing that had there hands on any notch gear for field testing before it was released as a final product?

 

[ArboristSolutions]

Personally I don't think notch has a manufacturing issue. If they did, they'd have stepped in and not accepted products because they weren't made to spec, and there's enough other vendors manufacturing things overseas that I'm sure they could find a decent manufacture.

I've always felt that they had an engineering/design/testing issue. They have great ideas (jet step and bigshot trigger) the jetstep itself, has great mechanics to it... but they threw the cheesiest bullshit strap on it to hold it together... The big shot trigger, again a great idea, but needs to have thicker/stronger material in the clamp, a longer threaded screw in the clamp, and most importantly a redesigned safety lockout mechanism that isn't prone to breaking/bending

Almost everything they sell/make feels very much like a version 1 design, or a slightly polished beta device. The only real exception being their throwballs; and I assume this is because they already had sherrill tree made ones and we are in fact on a version 2 design that's learned from earlier issues.

Sure design ->prototype -> test ->redesign ->prototype -> test ->redesign ->prototype -> field test -> redesign is an expensive undertaking, but that's the only way you're going to get a decent product in the end with longevity. Look how long it took RE to bring the akimbo to market and see how few complaints there are about it, look at how many iterative improvements to the OG rope runner there were and how long they took to come out. For the price of the RR2 this testing cycle should've easily been affordable.

It really feels like notch just rushes things out the door before they're ready.

Does anyone know of someone besides treebing that had there hands on any notch gear for field testing before it was released as a final product?

I did hear of a few people that had the original gecko carbons before they were released. I believe they tested them only a couple months before they went to market. That was when sherrill had all of the Instagram sponsored guys. I also believe treestuff was very involved in the edelrid gaffs being created. Those had issues during the first winter released, so maybe they also were only tested a few months before release, but that's complete speculation.

According to the RRP video there seemed to be quite a few different prototypes before the market version came out.