NO spiking on removals.
- Thread starter theXman
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Tree trimming is a vocation.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
livefreeordie
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xman, i totally agree about the dangers of leaving stubs, both to the climber and the potential of hanging up material. i climb predominantly srt and spikes are not necessarily conducive to my climbing style, however if i see the need for spikes i will srt to the top and then put my spikes on and work the tree from there. i cannot take a side on this one for or against because every tree and scenario is different and the situation dictates how i deal with it.
[ QUOTE ]
Tree trimming is a vocation.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
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does this mean, when what you do is a job, but also a hobby and you want to be known for something, you do things different like spikeless removals, so you can be known as a spikeless tree removal guy and get an identity?
Tree trimming is a vocation.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
[/ QUOTE ]
does this mean, when what you do is a job, but also a hobby and you want to be known for something, you do things different like spikeless removals, so you can be known as a spikeless tree removal guy and get an identity?
ward
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- Unincorporated Clackamas, OR
X...I think you've put this lie to rest. There was a time when I thought doing removals without spurs was remarkable, until I tried it a few times and ended up with the stub issues that you mentioned, the lack of footpositioning, etc. I think it must have to do with the pure athleticism of doing it without spurs...like free soloing El Cap or something...
Norm_Hall
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- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
To each his/her own. If some climbers choose to do removals without spurs, I'm OK with it.
Spurs for me, though.
I'll leave an occasional stub if I think I might need it further in the process. I do most of my removals with knotless rigging, so an occasional stub is handy.
Spurs for me, though.
I'll leave an occasional stub if I think I might need it further in the process. I do most of my removals with knotless rigging, so an occasional stub is handy.
speaking of that odd scenario of the bowline getting caught on a stub I have an instance earlier this year while removing a sugar maple. I tied a half hitch then a running bowline onto a limb about 4 or 5 inches in dia. when I made the cut the system seemed to have not enough friction being ran through a block and my groundman must have been very danty with the rope or something.. but the whole limb slid right out of the most trusted knot I use for that kinda stuff.. anyways the limb luckily didn't hit anyone or the house that was very close. The tree was kinda moist and mossy. that the only time this has happened.
I was using spikeys by the way so there were no stubs for this to happen with.. the limb just wanted to be stubborn.
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- Pukalani, Hawaii
my boss wont allow me to not wear spikes on removals. he says its safer and allows you to position properly. i agree X, i dont like the trend either. it makes for dangerous situations to arise like you showed in your illustrations. we have been taking down MASSIVE trees to supply our saw mill at our base yard. so that said, alot of what we do are large straight stems. there is no way in hell you can not use spikes on these trees.
RopeShield
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- Ontario, Canada
I think he is referrring to the vocation as a lifes passion. I think there are many arbos out there who feel it is just a job and many others who believe it is more than a moral and ethical good but is also an artistic expression that gives back to the world. Noble pursuit any way you look at it.
The wacko stuff is his way of labelling the artistic nature of the work we do. Wacko may not be the choice word but I would be happy with that label as opposed to others.
I have done spurless removal on few occassions and always remember wishing I was on the iron.
On one occassion it was spurless with rope harness/double bowline on a bite with the tail tied to the spar.
The tree was a small coni and quick 100bucker.
Spurless removals is just another "feats of strength" fix.
To each his own and no blood no foul.
Given the right tree, location etc etc it could be just as or more effecient but Why would you refuse being quadrapedal and risking a slip with saw in hand?
The wacko stuff is his way of labelling the artistic nature of the work we do. Wacko may not be the choice word but I would be happy with that label as opposed to others.
I have done spurless removal on few occassions and always remember wishing I was on the iron.
On one occassion it was spurless with rope harness/double bowline on a bite with the tail tied to the spar.
The tree was a small coni and quick 100bucker.
Spurless removals is just another "feats of strength" fix.
To each his own and no blood no foul.
Given the right tree, location etc etc it could be just as or more effecient but Why would you refuse being quadrapedal and risking a slip with saw in hand?
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What I was getting at was this:
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
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Tree trimming is a vocation.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
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does this mean, when what you do is a job, but also a hobby and you want to be known for something, you do things different like spikeless removals, so you can be known as a spikeless tree removal guy and get an identity?
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XMan, you got it!
[ QUOTE ]
Tree trimming is a vocation.
For some it becomes an identity.
When a vocation, avocation, or any behavior becomes an identity...
well, that's when you get the real wacko stuff.
[/ QUOTE ]
does this mean, when what you do is a job, but also a hobby and you want to be known for something, you do things different like spikeless removals, so you can be known as a spikeless tree removal guy and get an identity?
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XMan, you got it!
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What I was getting at was this:
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
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I understand.
What I don't like as an employer, is say I hire a new person that wants to be a good climber, but is uneasy on spikes and also hears spikeless removals are the new thing, so he never wants to get practice on them and fumbles around like a person on a greased pole, all because he doesn't have enough time on spikes and dislikes them.
What I was getting at was this:
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
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I understand.
What I don't like as an employer, is say I hire a new person that wants to be a good climber, but is uneasy on spikes and also hears spikeless removals are the new thing, so he never wants to get practice on them and fumbles around like a person on a greased pole, all because he doesn't have enough time on spikes and dislikes them.
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What I was getting at was this:
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
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I understand.
What I don't like as an employer, is say I hire a new person that wants to be a good climber, but is uneasy on spikes and also hears spikeless removals are the new thing, so he never wants to get practice on them and fumbles around like a person on a greased pole, all because he doesn't have spikes on BECAUSE he doesn't have enough time on spikes and dislikes them.
What I was getting at was this:
I climb, trim, and remove trees for a living. It's currently the best way for me to support my family. I want to be competent and qualified at my job. As a result, I have gained an appreciation for trees and a working sense of what's good and bad (work practices, pruning practices, etc). I don't have all the answers, I'm not the biggest, baddest, or fastest, and I am comfortable with that.
I come to work prepared, with the appropriate knowledge and skill base for my position. That's it.
If I want to define "concept of self", tree trimming is only one tiny part of a much fuller, richer life.
That's why I am comfortable with doing some removals with spikes, and some without. And I could care less if someone else does it different. Whatever gets the job done safely, expediently, and to the satisfaction of all parties... Great!
A lot of climbers I meet are consumed with climbing trees. They want you to know THEY ARE A TREE CLIMBER. It's often the first thing they tell people. They wear shirts from Sampson, Arborwear, and Sherrill. They have trees tattooed on themselves. They have real strong opinions about SRT vs Ddrt. They leave their Audubon Tree ID book conspicuously on the dashboard and their Petzl helmet in the back window. These individuals are working to achieve a sense of self constructed around the identity of "CLIMBING ARBORIST". This sense of self is totally reliant on external recognition from a peer group and contemporaries.
That's why they don't just like the Valdotain Tresse, they get all butthurt if YOU don't use it too. They don't just use an open face cut notch, they make a video and post it and argue and argue and want everybody else to do it that way too. To my way of thinking, only a very insecure and inexperienced climber would decide "it is Better in all situations to perform removals without hooks!" This is someone who has lost sight of what's really happening:
You're cutting the tree down for money and cleaning up the mess. In the end analysis, the fastest, safest, easiest method is the one that should be used!
I agree that stubs are a danger and hazard when left carelessly and habitually. I think it's sloppy and counter-productive, unless there's a specific reason. But I ultimately don't care. If some other climber leaves a stub and hurts himself on it, or smashes a plate glass window, or worse... well, sadder but wiser. And better him than me.
I guess my point is that I understand there's a learning curve for everybody and we're all at different places on that road.
I also understand that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and I am comfortable with that.
Now, I am sure there are people out there reading this, fuming at my conclusions. And that's fine. I once free climbed a 200' doug fir with hooks and no flipline, out of peer pressure and the illusion that it was manly, so I know how pervasive those sentiments can be. And there was once a time when when I trimmed miles of overland powerline ROW's with no hooks, cutting to the branch collar, and practicing A300 Pruning standards on volunteer weed trees miles back in the country. Proselytizing my co-workers to death (Join the ISA! get certified! get any credential you can! Proper cuts are the hallmark of a craftsman! Our pruning cuts are our signature, and may outlive us!) So I know what it's like...
I have trimmed and removed trees on and off for 20 years now, and I am just over it. I just don't care if some dude does his removals with hooks or not. But going along with the theme of the post, I try to figure out WHY? Why would someone decided that removing trees without hooks is something to strive for? That being said, I removed two trees Friday without hooks because it was easy, fast and safe...
Although I do have a couple cool tree work pictures at home, I don't mention my occupation to anyone unless they ask... and then the answer comes with plenty of caveats and additional explanation.
Many of you will be relieved to hear that this blasphemer (me) is actively looking to leave the industry.
Hope this clarifies my earlier comments.
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I understand.
What I don't like as an employer, is say I hire a new person that wants to be a good climber, but is uneasy on spikes and also hears spikeless removals are the new thing, so he never wants to get practice on them and fumbles around like a person on a greased pole, all because he doesn't have spikes on BECAUSE he doesn't have enough time on spikes and dislikes them.
arborcareman
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- ILLinois
X, I agree, no spikes is a risky act, not wise in my books. Someone did that with me and wound up hurt recently.
PS. nice drawings
PS. nice drawings
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
I like the one spike and pantin on my right foot for a fair amount of takedowns. I'm still waiting for someone to manufacture my spur-ascender...
Once I'm done messing around I have a guy send up another spur to finish it up.
There have been trees (particularly big black oak leaners) that I have pruned with a spur on. Usually, it's in a not-so-ideal situation, and is done so for my personal safety.
Most of the time, on removals, it seems faster and more efficient to just strap on both spurs and get to it. Whatever is safer and easier on the body works for me.
Once I'm done messing around I have a guy send up another spur to finish it up.
There have been trees (particularly big black oak leaners) that I have pruned with a spur on. Usually, it's in a not-so-ideal situation, and is done so for my personal safety.
Most of the time, on removals, it seems faster and more efficient to just strap on both spurs and get to it. Whatever is safer and easier on the body works for me.
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